CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

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Richard Santos

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hmmm, on US carriers catapult work is usually part of post launch fitting out done after the ship is afloat. It appears the Chinese carrier will not be floated out until a later stage of construction than US carriers.

I will make a comparison that is admittedly suspect because it reaches across almost 75 years of evolution in ship building practice. But it may nonetheless be illuminating. During WWII, construction of large American warships generally progressed much farther on the slip way before launch than would normally be the case in peace time. the reason is in peace time, the ship yard wishes to be able to fulfill as many orders as possible in the long run, so ships vacate the slip way as soon as possible to facility taking new orders, during war time new orders requiring use of large slip ways able to build major warships is lower priority, because a big warship that is started in the middle of war is unlikely to be completed in time to serve in the war. so the priority is on completing warships already under construction as quickly as possible. this is helped by keeping the warship hull on the slipway for longer so the slip way gantry cranes can help with part of fitting out process.

So the fact the 003 is being kept in the dry dock to perform some of the work that could be done with the hull afloat may suggest the priority is to finish 003 as quickly as possible, and on reusing the same dock for the start of construction of another major warship as early as possible.
 
by78

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Richard Santos said:
hmmm, on US carriers catapult work is usually part of post launch fitting out done after the ship is afloat.
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Have you considered fact-checking yourself? I highly recommend that you do that. Next time, before you give in to your urge to say something, stop and ask yourself whether what you're about to say is factually correct or based on facts. Please double-check before gracing us with your analysis. It'll save all of us a lot of time.

Thank you.
 
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Blitzo

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nlalyst said:
To really refute him, you need to provide pictorial evidence for every carrier built by the US to conclude that it’s not “usually” the case. And then we would have to agree at what is meant by “usually”: >50%?
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I'd argue the burden of proof is on Richard Santos to substantiate his claim that:
1. Having a shed over the catapult trench = catapult work of any kind of substance is being done, and
2. That having a shed over a catapult trench is an uncommon thing for US carriers when they're under construction, and
3. Even if both 1. and 2. are true, why that would mean 003 has to be launched at a later stage of completion than US carriers, given there's nothing stopping them from initiating some aspects of catapult work while in construction in drydock and to continue it after the ship is launched. ... and lastly,
4. Even assuming 1, 2 and 3 were all true -- if the shipyard really did want to build another major warship in that same drydock sooner rather than later as he speculates in his conclusion, why on earth would they keep 003 in the drydock to do work inside the drydock if that same work could be done after the ship is launched (like catapult installation, fitting out etc). I mean, if drydock time was the focus, then wouldn't it make sense to launch the ship as early as practically possible as soon as all the work requiring drydock time is finished? After all, the fitting out process of the ship is done with the ship afloat, not requiring the ship to be in drydock.


... Of course all of this is another way of saying that his original post didn't really make sense in the first place, and I think Intrepid was already being quite gracious in humouring him.
 
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