CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Intrepid]

Don’t like the island

it resembles the CV-16 and CV-17 too much...

It resembles Wuhan. And the task in Wuhan is to evaluate the island of 003.

 

[Yazzinra]

If they're hoping these images could become reality, they might want to start building a few more J-15s. I'm a fair bit concerned about the lack of new J-15s.

 

[H2O]

Don’t like the island

it resembles the CV-16 and CV-17 too much

should not have the window decks sticking out like that more stealth required

also mid deck observation post sticking out at the front total no no

Stealth shaping for a carrier??? I would imagine flight deck operations would nullify any advantages. It really should be about reducing drag for fuel efficiency and minimizing turbulence for incoming aircrafts. I'm not expecting any drastic changes to the island until they roll out a nuclear-powered one.

 

[Anlsvrthng]

Stealth shaping for a carrier??? I would imagine flight deck operations would nullify any advantages. It really should be about reducing drag for fuel efficiency and minimizing turbulence for incoming aircrafts. I'm not expecting any drastic changes to the island until they roll out a nuclear-powered one.

Incoming sea skimming missile will see the top of the island only from bigger distance.


As an enemy aircraft from longer distances.

The earth has a curvature.

 

[kickars]

Incoming sea skimming missile will see the top of the island only from bigger distance.


As an enemy aircraft from longer distances.

The earth has a curvature.

At that sort of "longer distances", does it matter if "the window decks are sticking out" or not?

 

[Tam]

Artist extrapolated the ECM panel array out of the Wuhu mockup.



Dead ringer for the one from the Type 055.



Island must be very strong to support such a heavy device. The jammer is likely based off from a phase array and should be able to pencil beam form microwaves to its target. With multiple AESAs on the island, there must be a heavy amount of cooling systems on board.

 

[taxiya]

Artist extrapolated the ECM panel array out of the Wuhu mockup.

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Dead ringer for the one from the Type 055.

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Island must be very strong to support such a heavy device. The jammer is likely based off from a phase array and should be able to pencil beam form microwaves to its target. With multiple AESAs on the island, there must be a heavy amount of cooling systems on board.

Maybe it is too early to further speculate such panel on 003, after all, it is not on Wuhan mock-up (yet). It is just the artist's wish.

P.S. it is Wuhan not Wuhu.

 

[taxiya]

At its size (even just the island), there is no meaningful difference to make CV stealth. The flat and slopping shape of the Wuhan mock-up (same reason for Ford class) is to accommodate the AESA panels which are big and flat.

 

[Tam]

Maybe it is too early to further speculate such panel on 003, after all, it is not on Wuhan mock-up (yet). It is just the artist's wish.

P.S. it is Wuhan not Wuhu.

The cutout for the panel is already on the mock up itself. The proportions of the panel looks very similar to the one on the 055 and ECM tends to be located on the sides of the island based on Liaoning, Shandong, and Kuznetsov.

Just from the location of the panel and its proportions, I have a high confidence of what it is and how it relates to parts from the 055. 003 has its electronics based of the 055's tech, while Shandong is based off the 052D's and the Liaoning from the 052C's. 003 is not going to use the ESM and ECM units you have seen from Shandong and Liaoning based off the island mockup.

Another thing to add, the small tower on top of the island, has panels similar to the one on the top mast of the 055. The six small arrays around the neck might be CEC panels. The four squares above them situated on a crown, might be ESM. Both these are also from the 055. Then you have this stalk, also similar to the one from the 055, which might be an ESM array topped with a TACAN on top. One thing I find missing are the placements for IFF arrays but my guess they would be lining up the top of the island as well as that ridge on top of large S-band arrays.

 

[Tetrach]

Where are we in the construction of Type 003 ?