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I don’t see shifting the carrier as a issue easily done
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CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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Compared to images of 2017 and earlier, the area IS indeed visibly more under water. Previously it was basically farm fields and now it looks like submerged farm fields.
It remains to be seen what it will be and how fast they can turn in into a basin. Somehow I don't really think the basin could be ready within 6 months, at least. So we may not see any carrier sections for that long.
Unless they choose rail/road transport of sections to river bank after all.
It remains to be seen what it will be and how fast they can turn in into a basin. Somehow I don't really think the basin could be ready within 6 months, at least. So we may not see any carrier sections for that long.
Unless they choose rail/road transport of sections to river bank after all.
That can't be final assy area.
The carrier draught is around 7-11 meter , means the per square meter of load is 7-11 tons.
The width is around 70 meters, means the expected per meter load is 700 tons.
The railway axle has 30 tons/ axle load, means it needs 24 axle/meter.
Virgini class rollout from final assy needs aprox. 240 axle (counted on pictures)
Means carrier needs at least ten times more .
The carrier should need 8 pair of railway track.
With air caster plates it would needs 8-10 bar - next to impossible to make flat enough concrete.
The concrete as well has very high requirements.
And finally, it needs a floating dock, that needs deep water, and they should make a deep enough bay for it - but it should be extremely expensive without any benefit to have the final assy that far away.
The carrier draught is around 7-11 meter , means the per square meter of load is 7-11 tons.
The width is around 70 meters, means the expected per meter load is 700 tons.
The railway axle has 30 tons/ axle load, means it needs 24 axle/meter.
Virgini class rollout from final assy needs aprox. 240 axle (counted on pictures)
Means carrier needs at least ten times more .
The carrier should need 8 pair of railway track.
With air caster plates it would needs 8-10 bar - next to impossible to make flat enough concrete.
The concrete as well has very high requirements.
And finally, it needs a floating dock, that needs deep water, and they should make a deep enough bay for it - but it should be extremely expensive without any benefit to have the final assy that far away.
I also agree that area presents a lot of questions about how the carrier will be launched from there. If the modules are being already assembled there, the situation becomes even more confusing.
That is the module assembly area.
There are five drydock at the facility, and this will follow the pattern of them.
In the other four big assembly area the have the module pre-assy, and down the river the drydock, where they do the final assy.
It follows the same pattern, up there will be the module assembly, down there the drydock.
It can be the biggest drydock in the plant - however it doesn't prove the carrier theory, considering they make bigger ships than the expected type 003.
There are five drydock at the facility, and this will follow the pattern of them.
In the other four big assembly area the have the module pre-assy, and down the river the drydock, where they do the final assy.
It follows the same pattern, up there will be the module assembly, down there the drydock.
It can be the biggest drydock in the plant - however it doesn't prove the carrier theory, considering they make bigger ships than the expected type 003.
Interesting data about this Chinese shipyard.
Newport news area : 1.3 square km.
Jiangnan shipyard new extension (that everyone talk about) : more than 1.35 square km.
The area, where at the moment the manufacturing of warships (and high complexity and/or small ships) happens is 1.4 square km as well.
The main assembly area, where the volume (bulk/container) production happens is 2.5 square km.
All together the shipyard will be more than four times bigger than Newport News.
The existing + under development shipyard part, where they can make warships twice as big as the Newport news, where half of the Virginia submarines, and all Nimitz/Ford class carrier was manufactured.
The existing drydock is 200 meters by 30 meters, and in the past years it had spare capacity ( by the times when the main external assembly area was empty) , so anything that they want to manufacture in the new area will be bigger than this.
The new area would be capable to make and maintain more 100k carrier than the Newport News , without any help the other 75% of the Jiangnan shipyard.
And it will have better layout to make the warships faster (compared to NN), because the main crane will have longer run, not only above the drydock, but above the module assembly area as well. In NN they have to assemble module on the drydock floor as well.( so everything needs to be lifted by cranes, slowing down the assy.)
Newport news area : 1.3 square km.
Jiangnan shipyard new extension (that everyone talk about) : more than 1.35 square km.
The area, where at the moment the manufacturing of warships (and high complexity and/or small ships) happens is 1.4 square km as well.
The main assembly area, where the volume (bulk/container) production happens is 2.5 square km.
All together the shipyard will be more than four times bigger than Newport News.
The existing + under development shipyard part, where they can make warships twice as big as the Newport news, where half of the Virginia submarines, and all Nimitz/Ford class carrier was manufactured.
The existing drydock is 200 meters by 30 meters, and in the past years it had spare capacity ( by the times when the main external assembly area was empty) , so anything that they want to manufacture in the new area will be bigger than this.
The new area would be capable to make and maintain more 100k carrier than the Newport News , without any help the other 75% of the Jiangnan shipyard.
And it will have better layout to make the warships faster (compared to NN), because the main crane will have longer run, not only above the drydock, but above the module assembly area as well. In NN they have to assemble module on the drydock floor as well.( so everything needs to be lifted by cranes, slowing down the assy.)
News via Icloo/PDF: Most likely related to the Type 003 carrier
"Statement dated 2019 March 27. from JN shipyard, regarding deepening of the fitting out pool for the "Special" ship. Work is in progress since March 27th and is scheduled to be completed on June 20th. Dredging will be done up North to the existing old flood gate."
"Statement dated 2019 March 27. from JN shipyard, regarding deepening of the fitting out pool for the "Special" ship. Work is in progress since March 27th and is scheduled to be completed on June 20th. Dredging will be done up North to the existing old flood gate."
This is consistent with fzgfzy's predictions here https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-breaking-news-pics-videos.t7079/page-278#post-540470
The most recent pictures we had were from late March, which is fairly recent and not exactly "a long time".
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/type-002-cv-18-carrier-news-discussions.t8048/page-265#post-547534
Going two or three months without updated pictures of that location would actually be fairly normal tbh. If we go six months without an update then that would be different