CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Hendrik_2000

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The go ahead to start work on 002 was given after the National congress in March according to SCMP
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China started building its third aircraft carrier – with a hi-tech launch system – at a Shanghai shipyard last year, according to sources close to the People’s Liberation Army.

One of the sources said Shanghai Jiangnan Shipyard Group was given the go-ahead to begin work on the vessel after military leaders met in Beijing following the annual sessions of China’s legislature and top political advisory body in March.

“But the shipyard is still working on the carrier’s hull, which is expected to take about two years,” the source said. “Building the new carrier will be more complicated and challenging than the other two ships.”

China has been trying to build up a blue-water navy that can operate globally and support its maritime security, but it so far has only one aircraft carrier, the Liaoning – a repurposed Soviet ship it bought from Ukraine that went into service in 2012.

Its first Chinese designed and built aircraft carrier, the Type 001A, is expected to go into full service later this year.

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The sources all said it was too early to say when the third vessel would be launched, but China plans to have four aircraft carrier battle groups in service by 2030, according to naval experts.

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Shipbuilders and technicians from Shanghai and Dalian are working on the third vessel, which will have a displacement of about 80,000 tonnes – 10,000 tonnes more than the Liaoning, according to another source close to the PLA Navy.

“China has set up a strong and professional aircraft carrier team since early 2000, when it decided to retrofit the Varyag [the unfinished vessel China bought from Ukraine] to launch as the Liaoning, and it hired many Ukrainian experts ... as technical advisers,” the second source said.

The sources also confirmed that the new vessel, the CV-18, will use a launch system that is more advanced than the Soviet-designed ski-jump systems used in its other two aircraft carriers.

Its electromagnetic aircraft launch system will mean less wear and tear on the planes and it will allow more aircraft to be launched in a shorter time than other systems.

Dalian Shipbuilding Industry spent more than eight years refurbishing and upgrading the Liaoning. It is a subsidiary of state-owned China Shipbuilding Industry Corp (CSIC), as is the Shanghai shipyard.

CSIC chairman Hu Wenming in November told state broadcaster CCTV that China now had the expertise to build any type of aircraft carrier. He said a unit of 5,000 people from across the country had been formed to work on developing the country’s aircraft carrier fleet.

The latest aircraft carrier project has been in the pipeline for some time. Satellite images taken back in 2009 showed a huge frame had been installed at the Shanghai shipyard to accommodate large-scale projects. That year, its general manager Nan Daqing told Shanghai Dragon TV the company was “fully prepared” to build the country’s first home-grown aircraft carrier.

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The Jiangnan shipyard is China’s oldest – it was founded during the Qing dynasty in 1865 and became a state-owned enterprise in 1949.

Sources said the layout of the new aircraft carrier, including its flight deck and “island” command centre, would be different from the other two.

“The new vessel will have a smaller tower island than the Liaoning and its sister ship because it needs to accommodate China’s carrier-based J-15 fighter jets, which are quite large,” the first source said.

“It has been suggested that they look to Britain’s warship, the HMS Queen Elizabeth, which has two small tower islands on the deck. That would create more space for the runway and aircraft, but no final decision has been made yet.”

China’s navy has meanwhile begun training its own fighter pilots, rather than recruiting them from the air force, as it prepares to expand the fleet, the official PLA Dailyreported.
 

Jeff Head

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The go ahead to start work on 002 was given after the National congress in March according to SCMP
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China started building its third aircraft carrier – with a hi-tech launch system – at a Shanghai shipyard last year, according to sources close to the People’s Liberation Army.

One of the sources said Shanghai Jiangnan Shipyard Group was given the go-ahead to begin work on the vessel after military leaders met in Beijing following the annual sessions of China’s legislature and top political advisory body in March.

The sources also confirmed that the new vessel, the CV-18, will use a launch system that is more advanced than the Soviet-designed ski-jump systems used in its other two aircraft carriers.

Its electromagnetic aircraft launch system will mean less wear and tear on the planes and it will allow more aircraft to be launched in a shorter time than other systems.

Dalian Shipbuilding Industry spent more than eight years refurbishing and upgrading the Liaoning. It is a subsidiary of state-owned China Shipbuilding Industry Corp (CSIC), as is the Shanghai shipyard.

CSIC chairman Hu Wenming in November told state broadcaster CCTV that China now had the expertise to build any type of aircraft carrier. He said a unit of 5,000 people from across the country had been formed to work on developing the country’s aircraft carrier fleet.

The latest aircraft carrier project has been in the pipeline for some time. Satellite images taken back in 2009 showed a huge frame had been installed at the Shanghai shipyard to accommodate large-scale projects. That year, its general manager Nan Daqing told Shanghai Dragon TV the company was “fully prepared” to build the country’s first home-grown aircraft carrier.

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The Jiangnan shipyard is China’s oldest – it was founded during the Qing dynasty in 1865 and became a state-owned enterprise in 1949.

Sources said the layout of the new aircraft carrier, including its flight deck and “island” command centre, would be different from the other two.

“The new vessel will have a smaller tower island than the Liaoning and its sister ship because it needs to accommodate China’s carrier-based J-15 fighter jets, which are quite large,” the first source said.

“It has been suggested that they look to Britain’s warship, the HMS Queen Elizabeth, which has two small tower islands on the deck. That would create more space for the runway and aircraft, but no final decision has been made yet.”

China’s navy has meanwhile begun training its own fighter pilots, rather than recruiting them from the air force, as it prepares to expand the fleet, the official PLA Dailyreported.
So, looks like CV-16 and CV-17 to be the STOBAR as we already know, then starting with CV-18 you will have a Frrestal sized super carrier of 80,000 tons with EMALS launch it sounds like. The question is, will it be nuclear or conventional power.

I expect to of them to be built...but I do not believe that four will be all the PLAN builds...I really do expect themt o ultimately have six.

Time will tell.
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Well from steel cut to keel it could be a few years

It will be even longer before we see modules

We could get a overhead satellite shot maybe this year that could confirm it

Either way CV-16 and CV-17 ski jump 24 x fighters each, 60,000 tons

CV-18 and CV19 EMALS 36 x fighters each, 80,000 tons

CVN-20 and CVN-21 Nuclear get 48 x fighters each, 100,000 tons

Total carrier air wing

216 fighters
 

antiterror13

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Well from steel cut to keel it could be a few years

It will be even longer before we see modules

We could get a overhead satellite shot maybe this year that could confirm it

Either way CV-16 and CV-17 ski jump 24 x fighters each, 60,000 tons

CV-18 and CV19 EMALS 36 x fighters each, 80,000 tons

CVN-20 and CVN-21 Nuclear get 48 x fighters each, 100,000 tons

Total carrier air wing

216 fighters

I am expecting CV-18 is EMALS and nuclear powered

216 fighters is a lot, perhaps bigger than most countries Air Force ... but heyyy USN has well over 1,000 fighters :)
 

Gloire_bb

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I am expecting CV-18 is EMALS and nuclear powered

216 fighters is a lot, perhaps bigger than most countries Air Force ... but heyyy USN has well over 1,000 fighters :)
USN 1000 fighters are scattered across oceans. Some of these areas require carrier presence absolutely.

But before it becomes important, USAF in next several years will obtain in excess of 60 LRASM-capable B-1Bs. How to translate “outer air battle” to chinese? :eek:
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Well let’s be fair going forward

USN 11 x carrier strike groups

24 x F18 and 24 x F35 = 48 on a carrier

That’s 528 fighters

Can they load 72 on Ford Class? yes will they? No

Same for Chinese carriers standard layout is not same as war time layout
 

FORBIN

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I am expecting CV-18 is EMALS and nuclear powered

216 fighters is a lot, perhaps bigger than most countries Air Force ... but heyyy USN has well over 1,000 fighters :)
USN 1000 fighters are scattered across oceans. Some of these areas require carrier presence absolutely.

USN have 830 fighters : 540 F/A-18E/F + 290 F/A-18A-D i don't count 30 F-35C not used by Frontline units the 4th Air Service India is 5th with 650

Well let’s be fair going forward

USN 11 x carrier strike groups

24 x F18 and 24 x F35 = 48 on a carrier

That’s 528 fighters

Can they load 72 on Ford Class? yes will they? No

Same for Chinese carriers standard layout is not same as war time layout

No, more room on the more large flight deck for severals in more but don't change numbers aboard 46 - 48 ( coz Sqns of 12 for Super Hornet and 10 for Hornet/F-35C ) but USN have enough Sqns to provide eventualy 5 VFAs to CVNs deployed so 58 - 60 fighters ! is the maximum same than she had up to 1990's with 5 Combattants Sqns and 58 fighters-bombers.

But the Ford host more ammos qty for aircrafts than a Nimitz i think 5 - 10 % in more ( Flottes de Combat 2016 )
 
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Jeff Head

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Well let’s be fair going forward

USN 11 x carrier strike groups

24 x F18 and 24 x F35 = 48 on a carrier

That’s 528 fighters

Can they load 72 on Ford Class? yes will they? No

Same for Chinese carriers standard layout is not same as war time layout
In peace time they will probably be something like that.

But each Nimitz and each Ford is capable of carrying up to 90 aircraft...and if came to a major war of any longevity, the Carrier Air wings would increase their presence.

With increasing potential for combat, it would increase to something like this into the early to mid-2020s

24 x F/A-18F
12 x F/A-18E
24 X F-35C
6 x EA-18G
4 x E-2D

70 aircraft

If a full on war broke out, you would see

24 x F/A-18F
24 x F/A-18E
24 X F-35C
6 x EA-18G
4 x E-2D

82 aircraft
 
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If all that we heard about the Type 002 is true, then when the ship is floated out some time in the next decade. China will have the distinction of being the 3rd nation in the world to have built and operated a catapult carrier all on its own. And it will be the 2nd most powerful navy in terms of carrier aviation overall, besting France, the UK, Brazil and India in terms of their respective carrier size, technology and numbers.
With a catapult carrier, the PLAN will have a whole array of options they can bring to bear against an opposing force. A flight of J-15 with full fuel load and YJ-12As will be the stuff of nightmares for any admiral.
All in all, an incredibly significant milestone for the PLAN.
 
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