CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[kwaigonegin]

There is no increased hangar area on the 2nd carrier. It has the same size than the hangar of Liaoning.

Bummer if True... is the air wing embarked going to be the same or more then?

 

[Intrepid]

Bummer if True... is the air wing embarked going to be the same or more then?

We will see. I suppose it will be a mixed squadron, not just J-15 for the pilot's basic training.

 

[Jeff Head]

Any day now and she will be putting to sea. Be neat if the coincided her trials with the Type 055 and had them cross paths!

 

[davidau]

According to the Chinese News Media, the countdown time entered from 4 May to 11 May and a restricted zone mapped out in the Bohai Sea area. A Z18 helo hovelling aroud and landed on CV 17 for the first time. Similary the CV Liaoning had the helo excercise for 5 days before going out to seatrial.

Could this be the seatrial for the CV 17 Shangdong [temporary designated?] ???

 

[Sczepan]

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Could this be the seatrial for the CV 17 Shangdong [temporary designated?] ???

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they build more as one ship in Dalian

 

[steve_rolfe]

Well, i did some more digging around and found that actually CV17 has been designed to accommodate an extra 8 aircraft over CV16.
The overall displacement of CV17 is supposed to be 4,000 tonnes greater than that of CV16.
Other improvements apparently to of been made to the vessel, include a possible 2 degree change to the angle of the ski jump, a new more powerful radar, Type 346 S-band AESA radar system, a smaller control tower, and a more comfortable layout for the crew.

 

[Sunbud]

Well, i did some more digging around and found that actually CV17 has been designed to accommodate an extra 8 aircraft over CV16.
The overall displacement of CV17 is supposed to be 4,000 tonnes greater than that of CV16.
Other improvements apparently to of been made to the vessel, include a possible 2 degree change to the angle of the ski jump, a new more powerful radar, Type 346 S-band AESA radar system, a smaller control tower, and a more comfortable layout for the crew.

Wouldn't be at all surprised that there could be a 1/3 larger hangar than the Liaoning, considering the Liaoning was an already completed hull. You would be surprised how much space you can make in a kitchen or home by properly arranging fixtures and furniture and I believe the same would apply to an aircraft carrier. With advances in technology, miniaturisation and digitisation of components, repeated hundreds if not thousands of times all over the ship; now with more freedom to rearrange bulkheads and walls of the design, you can imagine they can squeeze out more space for the hangar.

Let alone changes dictated by a potentially different operating doctrine in the PLAN which may render certain functions and uses of space in a Soviet carrier (combat uses and otherwise) to be unnecessary or reduced. For example a Chinese carrier is unlikely to have a prayer room/chapel which are present in western vessels. With the advent of personal computing and smartphones tablets, it may also be possible to remove facilities like a library. Even small things like replacing old cathode-ray monitors with flat-panel LCDs, every little thing can add up to contribute a heck of a lot. Just a thought.

 

[hkbc]

Wouldn't be at all surprised that there could be a 1/3 larger hangar than the Liaoning, considering the Liaoning was an already completed hull. You would be surprised how much space you can make in a kitchen or home by properly arranging fixtures and furniture and I believe the same would apply to an aircraft carrier. With advances in technology, miniaturisation and digitisation of components, repeated hundreds if not thousands of times all over the ship; now with more freedom to rearrange bulkheads and walls of the design, you can imagine they can squeeze out more space for the hangar.

Let alone changes dictated by a potentially different operating doctrine in the PLAN which may render certain functions and uses of space in a Soviet carrier (combat uses and otherwise) to be unnecessary or reduced. For example a Chinese carrier is unlikely to have a prayer room/chapel which are present in western vessels. With the advent of personal computing and smartphones tablets, it may also be possible to remove facilities like a library. Even small things like replacing old cathode-ray monitors with flat-panel LCDs, every little thing can add up to contribute a heck of a lot. Just a thought.

Supporting more aircraft isn't just about how big a hangar you have, straight up the smaller island gives an extra couple of deck spots. The real areas of growth needed are in jet fuel capacity and munitions spaces, to allow greater numbers of sorties and patrols, otherwise the only rationale for carrying more planes is for expected attrition, so the additional fuel and munitions aren't needed! End of the day it's a fighting ship not a ferry!

 

[Intrepid]

Supporting more aircraft isn't just about how big a hangar you have, straight up the smaller island gives an extra couple of deck spots. The real areas of growth needed are in jet fuel capacity and munitions spaces, to allow greater numbers of sorties and patrols, otherwise the only rationale for carrying more planes is for expected attrition, so the additional fuel and munitions aren't needed! End of the day it's a fighting ship not a ferry!

The primary flight control is rearranged to handle more and different aircraft with different tasks on the flightdeck and in the visible vicinity of the carrier. And there is an additional flag bridge for a commander in charge of an entire carrier group.

 

[bruceb1959]

How recent are those pictures?

I feel like they might have been taken before the picture in post #2536 was, because we can see in the picture in #2536 that the flight deck markings are painted on white (especially at the landing strip/waist) whereas in the above pictures showing the smoke it looks like they haven't been painted yet.


In other words, I think the pictures of CV-17 with the smoke are not the most "up to date" pictures of its status.

Also, we can see that the windows/portholes on the island's lower level bridge/pri-fly(?) still has its plastic coverings or whatever on (note how they have a slightly gold/yellow tinge) whereas the upper level windows for the main bridge are dark without any coverings, and how the picture in #2536 shows the windows on both the first and second levels are equally dark showing the coverings have been removed.


edit: looking back at some pictures, it looks like the white deck markings were there the whole time going back weeks, so I suppose the fact that they don't look like they are there for the pictures of CV-17 with smoke could be the angle of the sun+camera.

In any case I'm sure we'll see the ship leaving for sea trials within weeks or days.

good spot!