Bad pick for a comparison. I seriously doubt any legitimate PLA watcher really believed the carrier was going to be named Shi Lang. Maybe only the worst of the extremist fanbois.
CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations
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Oh my bad… I just out found, that this picture was already posted earlier here on this forum, when I was on vacation in Portugal…Hello Guys (and Girls),
Didn't you see these pictures, of the Island of CV-17/001A Carrier installed (in fact half the island) ?
Or are they photoshopped ?
I saw them yesterday on this website :
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I probably was, to eager to see the Island lifting happening and share it with you…
I tried to edit it and remove my post, but couldn't find it out, or it was too late to edit the post. Sorry
We (I) need some more patience..
I posted this pic...which I myself PSd (and indicated so) on September 7th here on SD. I believe it is the same photo with a few more details added.Hello Guys (and Girls
Didn't you see these pictures, of the Island of CV-17/001A Carrier installed (in fact half the island) ?
Or are they photoshopped ?
I saw them yesterday on this website :
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But...I am hoping that soon...especially now that the holiday is over...that we actually see something similar. Time will tell...but I have to believe, since we do know that that one half of the island is sitting their on the pier/dock right next to the carrier, that the lift will occur soon.
Intrepid
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I don't know, why the second photo isn't visible, you have to click the link. Compare the drawing with the third part of the island.
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Hehehe...every time I see any post on this thread I immediately check it to see if the Island has been lifted or not.
LOL!
Not yet...not yet.
I have been over this point so many times I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here. If you can fit a catapult system to your carrier deck, YOU DON'T NEED A SKI JUMP! It really is an Either/Or situation. Both are designed to get your aircraft off the deck and into the air, when a straight free-takeoff run is not possible (your flight deck not being equivalent to a three mile long runway for example), and the endgame is to have airflow over your aircraft's wings generating enough lift for it to fly. A catapult accelerates the aircraft to flying speed within it's length so the aircraft is fully wingborne when it's wheels leave the deck. Job Done. With a Ski Jump the trick is done slightly differently: The only force available to accelerate the aircraft to flying speed is it's own engines, which cannot do so before the aircraft reaches the forward end of the flight deck; the ramp 'cheats' and buys time by throwing the aircraft into the air on a ballistic trajectory BEFORE it has reached flying speed, typically about 80 knots compared to the usual 130 knots required for most fast jets. These are ball park figures of course, but the principle remains true. After leaving the ramp the aircraft continues to accelerate as it arcs upwards and by the time it levels out (around 200ft above sea level) it will have reached 130knots and now be fully wingborne. That is the sole purpose of the ramp, get you off the deck BEFORE you are fully ready to fly on your wings and buy you the time needed to reach flying speed. Again, if you have a Catapult, don't need a Ramp.
plawolf
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Well, just to be a pedantic sod, but you can indeed have a ski jump and a catapult on the same carrier, just not both at the same position.
It would certainly be possible, even desireable for the PLAN to have waist catapults and a bow ski jump on the same carrier.
China has already invested in 20+ J15As, and will probably get many more to form the Liaoning's air wing. That is no small investment.
They are also working on a catapult capable J15B.
A waist cat mod could very easily give the Liaoning the full benefit of cat assisted launches for strike loads and especially fixed wing carrier AWACS, while retaining the ski jump allows them to continue to use the non-cat capable J15As.
Once all the J15As are retired, they could do a major mid life upgrade to remove the ski jump and put in bow cats, but that's at least 15-20 years down the line.
It would certainly be possible, even desireable for the PLAN to have waist catapults and a bow ski jump on the same carrier.
China has already invested in 20+ J15As, and will probably get many more to form the Liaoning's air wing. That is no small investment.
They are also working on a catapult capable J15B.
A waist cat mod could very easily give the Liaoning the full benefit of cat assisted launches for strike loads and especially fixed wing carrier AWACS, while retaining the ski jump allows them to continue to use the non-cat capable J15As.
Once all the J15As are retired, they could do a major mid life upgrade to remove the ski jump and put in bow cats, but that's at least 15-20 years down the line.
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