CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Intrepid]

at most in Bohai-sea, but unlikely in scs.

Why unlikely in scs?

 

[Iron Man]

Any active carrier on earth should be out for 4 month in a 12-month periode. Business an usual.

Actually, any active carrier on earth should be out for at least 2/3 of the time. IIRC current USN practice is actually one 7-month deployment every 24 months, so it's even less than that.

 

[Sczepan]

Why unlikely in scs?

in past, Liaoning operated primary in Bohai-Sea
= near Huandicun Naval Air Base
= to promote basic carrier training
= in a more closed (secret) aerea, not in the open scs

 

[SinoSoldier]

China responds to actions, not words. If the US military continues to build up in East Asia, then China will also accelerate the development if its own military assets as suggested by established international politics theories from the last century.

Judging from the immense backlash coming from the Chinese press, it's apparent that the Chinese do care about words.

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They have already begun an arduous and unyielding process of building up their military, and with the introduction of an increasing quantity of area denial weaponry, the expansion is clearly becoming geared more and more against the United States. The THAAD deployment did exacerbate tensions between the Chinese and their neighbors, but this pivot-to-Asia trend started long before that.

However, there seems to be a contradiction between what the US wants in military terms (more presence in Asia), and what they want in economic terms (less presence in Asia). While Tillerson is anti-China in the general sense of the term, the US pulling out of the TPP could potentially lead to the formation of an East Asian free trade zone, or at the very least, closer economic ties between China and other Asian countries.

What I suspect we'll end up with (as a Chinese response) is a weird compromise between warmer economic ties with Asian countries with yet increased volumes of trade, but at the same time growing increasingly at odds militarily with the US and their allies in the region. Still, I digress. This discussion can be better left to another thread.

The withdrawal from TPP is more of a method of validating Trump's campaign promises to place the priority of American jobs/industry first. In fact, even aside of the TPP, the current US administration is more likely than not to withdraw US military assets from active places of deployment in accordance to Trump's push for more equal financial responsibility between the US and her allies.

Warmer ties with neighbors are inevitable, but a heightened response to US military assets in the region is unlikely.

 

[Intrepid]

IIRC current USN practice is actually one 7-month deployment every 24 months, so it's even less than that.

But the US-carriers are not only for deployment out, they perform several day- or weeklong cruises before every deployment.

 

[bd popeye]

But the US-carriers are not only for deployment out, they perform several day- or weeklong cruises before every deployment.

All US CVNs spend plenty of time at sea before deployment. Usually in one to three week junkets. There are certain events that have to take place before a CVN can deploy one being

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When USN CVNs are stateside and not in a shipyard but in their home port they spend nearly half their time at sea conducting operations.

 

[Iron Man]

But the US-carriers are not only for deployment out, they perform several day- or weeklong cruises before every deployment.

All US CVNs spend plenty of time at sea before deployment. Usually in one to three week junkets. There are certain events that have to take place before a CVN can deploy one being

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When USN CVNs are stateside and not in a shipyard but in their home port they spend nearly half their time at sea conducting operations.

These are training and/or sustainment cruises and not actually part of a carrier's deployment. In any case, I was wrong about the availability of carriers. According to this article carrier deployments are billed as 7 month periods every 36 months.

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The exact breakdown of the carrier deployment cycle is:
1) 7 month deployment period
2) 15 month sustainment period, "in which the CSG will be at its homeport but maintaining a deployed-force level of proficiency."
3) 6 month maintenance period
4) 8 month training period

The 7 month deployment + 15 month sustainment (19% availability) is apparently a matter of money, so in time of war you could theoretically have a 22 month period of availability for each carrier (61% availability). Other articles suggest deployments can actually last up to 9-10 months due to need, I suppose because there are currently only 10 carriers vs the usual 11.

If the PLAN follows a similar deployment strategy, you would expect 1 carrier deployed at all times with 3 to 4 carriers behind it out of action.

 

[bd popeye]

These are training and/or sustainment cruises and not actually part of a carrier's deployment.

Very true.. But if you ever spent time stateside aboard a ship as ships company or air wing after a few two or three week junkets at sea over several months you will feel like you are deployed.

 

[A.Man]

Sorry, I posted it in wrong thread

 

[Intrepid]

These are training and/or sustainment cruises and not actually part of a carrier's deployment.

Yes, and we wrote about the times out of port and training and/or sustainment cruises are times out of port.

Back to topic: training and/or sustainment cruises of Chinese carriers will be done in scs, as they are already have been done there.