CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Richard Santos]

because Ships lash together do not survive storms on the open oceans. This is not Ciao Ciao crossing rivers at the red cliff.

1. to survive storms ships needs to be under power and under control, and be able to avoid presenting broadsides to the wave. Presenting a broadside to really several seas could swamp even a super carrier or the largest modern merchant ships. ships lashed together are difficult to control.

2. differential motion of ships lashed together in a heavy sea will rip the bollards used to tied ships together right out of the deck.

3. Before ships lashed together are either ripped apart or swamped, they will grind against eachother and severely damage eachother as wave push them together abd the pull them apart. they will possibly be holed and flooding even before they are either ripped apart or swamped.

oceanic warfare is no place got bathtub toy missile boats.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

is it possible to put them on bigger ships that can go as fast as the CBG?

 

[Richard Santos]

is it possible to put them on bigger ships that can go as fast as the CBG?

Yes, but it would have to be specially built big ships because no such ships exist. However, the idea of large ships carrying small fast craft into sea battles is not new. It was first raised in the 1870s, and revived in the 1920s and 1930s. but each time the idea was perceived to be a dead end because the utility of small fast surface combatants in oceanic warfare is far too limited to be worth the trouble.


you should also keep in mind the practical speed of any ship in oceanic environment is different from its speed in trial run in calm water. In the ocean, the bigger the ship, the heavier the seas in which it can still achieve top speed. Even in moderate seas where waves are 2-3 meters a typical craft of under 1000 tons theoretically able to 45 knots will lucky to be able to do 20 without damage. In this state 32 knot 7000 ton destroyer will be substantially faster in practice.
In rough weather where the waves are 4-6 meters high, a 70000 ton aircraft carrier can still do 32 knots but a theoretically 32 knot 7000 ton destroyer is probably limited to 20 knots, while a 500 ton missile craft would be fighting for survival.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

they've got such big ships:

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they can follow the group & take the missile boats on board with cranes to save fuel on long transits & ride the storms.

 

[PeoplesPoster]

they've got such big ships:

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they can follow the group & take the missile boats on board with cranes to save fuel on long transits & ride the storms.

At that point might as well just build another destroyer. You’ve obviously never been out to sea before, even normal sea conditions would swamp a small catamaran like a 022.

 

[no_name]

they've got such big ships:

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they can follow the group & take the missile boats on board with cranes to save fuel on long transits & ride the storms.

They already do it with aircrafts. It's call an aircraft carrier. And the aircrafts carried can do everything the 022 missile boats can do and more. And do it faster.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

2-3 fast missile boats r cheaper & better than an extra DDG.
FYI, I've been to sea & sailed on all oceans (except the Arctic & Southern), incl. W. Pac. & the Bay of Bengal. also rode typhoon Zeb off Okinawa.
Flight ops can't be done safely in a big storm, if at all, but boats can & will be in position to attack regardless.

 

[no_name]

2-3 fast missile boats r cheaper & better than an extra DDG.
FYI, I've been to sea & sailed on all oceans (except the Arctic & Southern), incl. W. Pac. & the Bay of Bengal. also rode typhoon Zeb off Okinawa.
Flight ops can't be done safely in a big storm, if at all, but boats can & will be in position to attack regardless.

Opening up the wet bay to let 022 out in a Typhoon? I don't think that would work.

 

[by78]

Navy parade on the horizon:

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From the angle of a Type 052C destroyer's antenna:

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This is from a parade rehearsal from years ago! Why are you finding these low quality photos to share now when plenty of high-resolution images have already been posted around the time of the rehearsal?

 

[11226p]

I think we have gone wildly off topic. This is the CV-16 Liaoning thread after all.