Jura The idiot
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I was looking for the original Ukrainian report, I think it's here:
And I can't find an English version of the denial(s) by Separatists; the summary of denials in here:
is in Russian
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I was looking for the original Ukrainian report, I think it's here:
And I can't find an English version of the denial(s) by Separatists; the summary of denials in here:
is in Russian
Miragedriver
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Russian armoured vehicles and military trucks cross border into Ukraine
Exclusive: Telegraph witnesses Russian armoured vehicles and military trucks cross the border from Russia into Ukraine
From What I have been following in the news it appears that the Russian Media has not been preparing the Russian people for a separatist defeat in Donbas despite the risk it seems that is exactly what will happen. This could suggest that Putin will do whatever it takes to prevent a Ukrainian victory there. He (Putin) is probably still hoping that will not involve direct military action, but it seems to me that is the only realistic probable end game because without Russian assistance to the separatists, the Ukrainian army will win.
Just by seeing were the current battles are now taking place (compared to two months ago) the consistent push by the Ukrainian Army is apparent. The danger with the current situation is precisely because the Ukrainian side are winning. Nobody who looks at where the battles are taking place can possibly conclude that over the last 2 months the area controlled by the separatists has at least halved.
I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
Exclusive: Telegraph witnesses Russian armoured vehicles and military trucks cross the border from Russia into Ukraine
From What I have been following in the news it appears that the Russian Media has not been preparing the Russian people for a separatist defeat in Donbas despite the risk it seems that is exactly what will happen. This could suggest that Putin will do whatever it takes to prevent a Ukrainian victory there. He (Putin) is probably still hoping that will not involve direct military action, but it seems to me that is the only realistic probable end game because without Russian assistance to the separatists, the Ukrainian army will win.
Just by seeing were the current battles are now taking place (compared to two months ago) the consistent push by the Ukrainian Army is apparent. The danger with the current situation is precisely because the Ukrainian side are winning. Nobody who looks at where the battles are taking place can possibly conclude that over the last 2 months the area controlled by the separatists has at least halved.
I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
If necessary Russia can declare a Responsibility to Protect, just as NATO did when it destroyed Libya. That it did not do so should suggest that the Kiev regime is not winning, just as the fact that no evidence wrt to the responsibility for destroying MH17 has been pubished by Kiev nor its sponsors strongly suggest that Kiev was responsible.
I have been used to comparing the news from the three newspapers my parents read and from comparing the news from the Dutch and Belgian radio so being confronted by contradictory news items is no news to me. Try to find who has an interest in giving news a certain slant or even of distributing blatant lies.
Jura The idiot
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A moment ago I found this video:
which is very interesting, and very boring, at the same time: yesterday somebody drove a car in the center of
and during 100 seconds the video takes I noticed just one cab, one biker, one yellow bus, two black cars, NO pedestrians ... the town bracing for ... what exactly?
which is very interesting, and very boring, at the same time: yesterday somebody drove a car in the center of
and during 100 seconds the video takes I noticed just one cab, one biker, one yellow bus, two black cars, NO pedestrians ... the town bracing for ... what exactly?
Jura The idiot
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I read what the Kiev Junta ROFL says, found this:
which might be relevant to what you said ... now I'll check Bolsheviks' servers
thunderchief
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Looks like 30. armored-mechanized brigade of Ukrainian Army collapsed (yesterday, 18.8 ? ) . 83 surviving soldiers returned to their base in Novograd . Video emerged of relatives protesting because they were "sacrificed and sent to certain death"
[video=youtube;p8iL27Eo-5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8iL27Eo-5M[/video]
Google translated description of the video :
[video=youtube;p8iL27Eo-5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8iL27Eo-5M[/video]
Google translated description of the video :
Jura The idiot
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Thud, you beat me to it
I was in the process of watching it, would've posted:I can't say I know the Ukrainian language, but I usually understand most of what's being said (by the way, somebody I know who is a native Russian speaker keeps telling me my knowledge of Polish is more important than his of Russian in understanding Ukrainian
Lintuperhonen
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I think I need to clarify this penomenon a bit. Even though Ukrainian is phylogenically more closely related to Russian than to Polish, Polish speakers tend to understand Ukrainian better than Russian speakers because Ukrainian has been heavily influenced by the Polish language.I can't say I know the Ukrainian language, but I usually understand most of what's being said (by the way, somebody I know who is a native Russian speaker keeps telling me my knowledge of Polish is more important than his of Russian in understanding Ukrainian
Western Ukraine, upon whose dialects Standard Ukrainian is based, was for a long time controlled by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. For this reason Ukrainian contains a large number of Polish loanwords. Polish has also affected the Ukrainian syntax to some extent, but based on my very limited knowledge of the Ukrainian grammar (My primary interest lies in East Asian, Finnic and Germanic languages), direct Polish influence on Ukrainian morphology is rather minimal. The closest relative of Ukrainian is Belarusan, with an 86% lexical similarity. Together with Russian and Rusyn (which some consider a Ukrainian dialect) these languages make up the Eastern Slavic languages. Polish, like Czech, Slovak and Sorbian, belongs to the Western Slavic subgroup.
The close relationship between Ukrainian, Belarusan and Russian can most easily be understood when scrutinizing their dialects. To the North of Ukraine Ukrainian dialects gradually transform to Belarusan and to the East of the country, the Ukrainian language forms a similar dialect continuum with Southern Russian. Furthermore, in the Northwestern border areas between Russia and Belarus, Belarusan and Southern / Central Russian dialects merge. Due to the existence of these dialect continua, it is extremely difficult to draw border lines between these three languages. For example, the Russian dialects spoken in Eastern Ukraine are much closer to Ukrainian than standard Russian is. In phonological terms these dialects are even closer to Ukrainian than Standard Russian.
However, the Standard forms of the three languages are clearly distinct. This is especially clear between standard Russian and standard Ukrainian which are based on dialects at opposing ends of the Dialect continuum (Standard Russian is based on Northern and Central Russian dialects.) and are therefore hardly mutually inteligible. The longer one travels along a dialect continuum, the more the language changes.
I am sorry for inserting my boring linguistic monologue to this thread and will end this OT discussion here for my part. If you have further questions regarding linguistics, please send me a PM. I can also start a linguistics thread if I am allowed.
Jura The idiot
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thank you, I'll quote you
I thought you're a teacher because in
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members-club-room/crisis-ukraine-37-6939.html#post300818
you repeated the cliché about Siberian Divisions in the Battle of Moscow (I had been taught this
no problem) so without going obviously off-topic I suggest you to check the toughest SDF thread ever 'World War II Historical/Startegy Discussions', if interested ... the Eastern Front posts there are from February of this year (and the toughest poster's been kicked out in the meantime LOL!)OT
You describe it on the large scale. On a very small scale, about three quarter of a century ago, my father first visited his future in laws in the next village 5km, 3 miles, away and the dialects were so different that neither my mother nor her mother understood him. This was near Amsterdam. When I mailed this story to someone who spoke about dialects on my favorite radio station he came back with how in the town he grew up in, founded a few centuries ago along a canal to extract peat for the town of Groningen in the North of the Netherlands, when you followed the road along the canal the dialect changed at every crossroad and after four or five crossroads you couldn't understand people anymore.
On the other hand during WWII men from many countries were forced to work in Germany and a Dutchman I met told me that he built radio's into Messerschmidt 109's in Berlin and in the weekends he went to repair radio's for people in villages around Berlin and, he said, he could make himself understood in Dutch.
Someone said a language is a dialect with an army.
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