Crazy ideas thread

[plawolf]

Fun question.

So, I've done a free fall jump (only a level 1 PFF course) and from what I can tell, this would be a no-go.

Assuming it's night time, with NOGs, maybe bad weather, if you miss your landing zone by a few feet, you're in the water. Let's say you have a team of 12, and 1 guy ends in the water... then what? If you've got boats to recover him, why wouldn't you just use those boats to get on board in the first place?

Next, let's assume you land on the ship. Now your problems really begin. The tangos are gonna see you landing on their ship with a huge frekkin parachute. So you will be engaged immediately, plus you're surrounded. And your team is not landing at the exact same time. So they can pick off your team one by one as you land. It's gonna be like landing in the middle of a meat grinder.

Nah, this is too ninja!! Just use boats. You can at least return fire if you get spotted, and also abort if needed.

The idea is less about trying to board a hostile ship this way (I think you might be overestimating PLA special forces a tiny bit if you think 12 guys can take over a carrier ), but more on rapidly deploying special forces teams to friendly LHDs and/or carriers via strategic transports.

Less of an issue for the US due to their global network of overseas military bases, but potentially useful for the likes of the PLAN, who do not have the option of flying special forces via Y20 to the nearest military base and then transfer to warships via short range helicopters or carrier capable turboprop transports.

Of course, all PLAN task groups on long range deployment would already be carrying their own special forces contingents, but maybe a nice theoretical capacity to have as a just in case option to get more tier 1 guys in theatre rapidly.

 

[Mohsin77]

Ah, I thought the scenario was more a counter-terror operation.

 

[PiSigma]

I think Ocean is to large, maybe minor seas like bohai sea or baltic seas, and as you said not to much of it, since aquatic life needs light.

Also White paint is good, but actual maybe cheap mirrors reflect like 99.9% i guess.


In the same way we can cover chinas inland reservoirs, for example those of the north south water transfer project with it to reduce evaporation of water and at the same time reflect.

There is also idea to use concentrated solar power mirrors to heat sea water to desalinate which at least uses the heat of the sun for industrial purposes.


Put some of those im Gobi and built a canal so that sea water from Bohai enters the dome and voila, fresh water.

And from the remaining Brine China can exteact Lithium & Uranium.

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Rain comes from evaporation of ocean and lakes, so can't just cover up major water bodies to reflect light. You would literally creat deserts instantly in the most random places.

 

[solarz]

I also don't see a dedicated submarine which carries large numbers of airborne drones as viable. It's a huge additional cost and such a submarine would have many drawbacks compared to a surface ship.

The advantage would be stealth. A submarine carrier of airborne drones would not need an escort fleet.

If we can engineer a type of airborne drone that can be deployed underwater, it would make the submarine carrier even less vulnerable.

 

[AndrewS]

The advantage would be stealth. A submarine carrier of airborne drones would not need an escort fleet.

If we can engineer a type of airborne drone that can be deployed underwater, it would make the submarine carrier even less vulnerable.

A Ford-class carrier is supposed to have a surge rate of 270 sorties per day.
It's not going to be spending much time underwater.

 

[solarz]

A Ford-class carrier is supposed to have a surge rate of 270 sorties per day.
It's not going to be spending much time underwater.

It can be underwater during transit, and it could use drones that can be deployed underwater.

 

[AndrewS]

It can be underwater during transit, and it could use drones that can be deployed underwater.

But you still have the carrier escorts accompanying the carrier during transit?

Think about it. An underwater supercarrier is going to be absolutely enormous and cost many times an SSN. Yet it would have to spend most of the time on the surface during air operations.

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The concept of an underwater VLS arsenal ship that we previously saw makes more sense.

It wouldn't need any escorts during transit because the water acts as a solid surface. It would just surface, launch missiles, then submerge again afterwards.

If you have airborne drones, this means the ship has to stick around on the surface

 

[solarz]

But you still have the carrier escorts accompanying the carrier during transit?

Think about it. An underwater supercarrier is going to be absolutely enormous and cost many times an SSN. Yet it would have to spend most of the time on the surface during air operations.

It wouldn't serve the same role as a surface carrier.

For example, against a traditional CVBG, you could sent a few of these submarine carriers that would then launch its drones to search and destroy the CVBG. Or maybe just track it for AShBM targeting. Meanwhile, the sub-carrier itself would be safely out of detection range. Depending on the cost of those drones, the sub-carrier might not even need to stick around to retrieve them.

 

[Michaelsinodef]

Make it launch bigger suicide drones with like 100-200 km range.

And also make it be a unmaned sub drone carrier that aren't bigger than any of the current biggest subs (might even be smaller, and just get more of it).

 

[solarz]

Make it launch bigger suicide drones with like 100-200 km range.

And also make it be a unmaned sub drone carrier that aren't bigger than any of the current biggest subs (might even be smaller, and just get more of it).

I think eventually all weapon systems are going to be autonomous.

Then we'll all be turned into batteries.