Countering Western SAMs

Sea Dog

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Let's add to that, that modern SAMs now have HOJ modes. If you successfully jam them, they go into HOJ and home in on the jamming emitter.

You do realize that there are tactics performed by two or more jammers that can totally negate any HOJ guidance system. HOJ is nothing new or magical. In fact, they are rather easily defeated. I have alot more faith in highly mobile air based platforms with HDAM and combined jamming systems.
 

crobato

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You do realize that there are tactics performed by two or more jammers that can totally negate any HOJ guidance system. HOJ is nothing new or magical. In fact, they are rather easily defeated. I have alot more faith in highly mobile air based platforms with HDAM and combined jamming systems.

I also have more faith on air based platforms but jamming is not a magic bullet.

If you have two or more jammers, you need the jammers to be all equidistant to the seeker, and unless the jammers are flying in close formation, that's not going to happen. The seeker will only guide to the strongest signal, e.g. nearest jammer.

EDM/ECCM is a game of upmanship. One day you have the advantage, the next day you're not. For example, even as B-52s with jammer support are able to fool the S-75s over Hanoi, the same jammers and more, were not able to save CIA flown U-2s from HQ-2s (Chinese version of the S-75). The CIA had managed to jam the Chinese defenses before, which led the Chinese to redesign their equipment.
 

Sea Dog

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If you have two or more jammers, you need the jammers to be all equidistant to the seeker, and unless the jammers are flying in close formation, that's not going to happen. The seeker will only guide to the strongest signal, e.g. nearest jammer.

EDM/ECCM is a game of upmanship. One day you have the advantage, the next day you're not. For example, even as B-52s with jammer support are able to fool the S-75s over Hanoi, the same jammers and more, were not able to save CIA flown U-2s from HQ-2s (Chinese version of the S-75). The CIA had managed to jam the Chinese defenses before, which led the Chinese to redesign their equipment.

No, jammers do not need to be equidistant to the seeker for any effective anti-HOJ tactics that I refer to. HOJ is not all that impressive and very easily dealt with. The only downshot of it is that you have to know something's homing on you, or potentially homing on you using this HOJ method. And if you know that an opposing foe uses this as a method of guidance, you can adjust your operation to compensate for it by deploying the correct assets, in the correct way to produce the right results. ;)

And all the above is ancient history (Hanoi, etc.) when talking weapons/sensors & employment/design. HARMS and other munitions do not work the same way as they did back then.
 
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crobato

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Understood.

HARMs were not so effective in Vietnam, but was quite effective in GW1. However in Kosovo, they themselves got countered with decoys and the right tactics.

Only shows you that SAMs, the tactics to use them, and the tactics to use against them are all constantly evolving.
 

SinoForce

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China is big enough to survive a western air campaign anyway, it only really need SAM to protect a few very localized area.

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Also perhaps a little additute check before coming to post in chinese military forum

Gollevainen
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China has a ton of INFASTRUCTURE. Western air campaigns are designs to destroy infastructure: supply routes, transports, communications, workshops, depots, water/sewage, fuel, harbors, airports, highways, etc... Remember, the US military doesn't have to destroy the enemy anymore, just force them to walk home in defeat due to lack of support.
 
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