Corvette/Light frigate thread (056A, sub-4000t FFLs)

Staedler

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no_name said:
Could it be carrying a helicopter simply as relay for the munitions that it may use?
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I don't think so. Why would a relay need an enclosed hangar? If that were the case, it should have no hangar just like the 054A.
Given how raised the rear SAM is, I think it's pretty likely it has a hangar back there.

If you're giving up that much top weight budget for an enclosed hangar, I don't see any benefits to then make the helicopter a temporary addition.
 
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tamsen_ikard said:
I think this ship is similar (to the) Russian Buyan-M, a small ship with large missile arsenal. Essentially it could be a successor of both the type 022 and 056. It will have strong ASW capability and also strong anti-surface missile capability. The UVLS will not be used for Air defense but for Anti-Ship or Anti-Surface Cruise missiles plus ASW rocket torpedo. The air defense duties will be done by the RIM style missile canister, similar to 056.
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This is not a small ship. The size is equivalent to a multi-purpose frigate like for example the
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(SIGMA 9813).
 
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Staedler said:
I don't think so. Why would a relay need an enclosed hangar? If that were the case, it should have no hangar just like the 054A.
Given how raised the rear SAM is, I think it's pretty likely it has a hangar back there.

If you're giving up that much top weight budget for an enclosed hangar, I don't see any benefits to then make the helicopter a temporary addition.
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For stealth consideration maybe. Also I think you mean 056A cause 054A has a hangar.
Well maybe relay is one of it's tasks, the heli could also do other things like sub hunting or even rescue depending on mission profile.
 
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For stealth consideration maybe. Also I think you mean 056A cause 054A has a hangar.
Well maybe relay is one of it's tasks, the heli could also do other things like sub hunting or even rescue depending on mission profile.
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Yea, I meant 056A. Sometimes I get mixed up on the number designation for the smaller vessels.

Well if the helicopter is also doing sub-hunting with an enclosure, it's not really a relay is it. It's just an attached helicopter.
After all, the time on deck for a temporary helicopter's not going to be long enough for stealth to matter. You would spend more time packing and unpacking the helicopter in and out of the hangar than if the helicopter could be loaded and takeoff from the open. In other words, I don't think there's any meaningful stealth gain for a temporary helicopter with a hangar.
 
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Have we seen any photos of the ship's hangar door?
 
Staedler

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Went back and looked at how the tonnage numbers were calculated. I'm not sure 2,600 t estimate is the right direction.

The MEKO 100s have a calculated full load Cb of 0.465; alright for its speed (24kn), but pretty chunky for any small craft intended for higher speeds. Would expect Cb to be in the 0.380 - 0.400 range.

Now draft is unknown, but basic hull design says its likely in the 3.1 - 4.2 m range with a tendency towards the middle. That makes the expected tonnage range between 1600 - 2300 ton range if the satellite length/beam are true. It could be more, of course, if we take draft at 4.2 and Cbs of 0.420 - 0.460, then it's in the 2400 - 2600 tons range. But that's an extreme end and if we shrink the draft, we just get an even higher Cb and thus even more chunky (and less propulsively efficient) ship. A beam of 14 m is already pretty wide for it's length if it's meant to be a relatively fast ship.

So I think it's more likely in the 2000 ton class and given the VLS and enclosed hangar, even more likely to be a relatively slower ASW-focused ship. Maybe a preliminary estimate of 25-28 kn.
 
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Staedler said:
Yea, I meant 056A. Sometimes I get mixed up on the number designation for the smaller vessels.

Well if the helicopter is also doing sub-hunting with an enclosure, it's not really a relay is it. It's just an attached helicopter.
After all, the time on deck for a temporary helicopter's not going to be long enough for stealth to matter. You would spend more time packing and unpacking the helicopter in and out of the hangar than if the helicopter could be loaded and takeoff from the open. In other words, I don't think there's any meaningful stealth gain for a temporary helicopter with a hangar.
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What I mean is that the helicopter go with the ship so when not used it is stowed in hangar. But depends on what the ship needs to do it can carry a heli for sub-hunting or for relay.
 
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