Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[KevinG]

Watching news about making new records of the pandemic around world, and people are still arguing if it is worth putting another lockdown. I think about the reality, the death rate of COVID is not that horrible, and the majority of the victims are the old, the sick and the poor. This basically makes the pandemic a purge. This is a horrible and unethical thought: for the countries heavily hurt by COVID right now, will they get a healthier and more efficient society in the long term?

 

[Intrepid]

Watching news about making new records of the pandemic around world, and people are still arguing if it is worth putting another lockdown. I think about the reality, the death rate of COVID is not that horrible, and the majority of the victims are the old, the sick and the poor. This basically makes the pandemic a purge. This is a horrible and unethical thought: for the countries heavily hurt by COVID right now, will they get a healthier and more efficient society in the long term?

Young people who have been exposed to high viral loads are also harmed and require treatment for the rest of their lives. I do not think, they will get a healthier and more efficient society in the long term.

Educated people will think about which country they want to settle in in the future. Those who do not fight the pandemic now (Covid-19 is not the last one) will only keep ordinary people.

 

[KevinG]

Young people who have been exposed to high viral loads are also harmed and require treatment for the rest of their lives. I do not think, they will get a healthier and more efficient society in the long term.

For most people, I don't think that's true. The most obvious example is these NBA players who caught COVID. They recover and then return to the field in just weeks. I think it will be hard for people to expose high viral loads if not working in the hospital. The virus is pretty vulnerable outside its host.

 

[montyp165]

For most people, I don't think that's true. The most obvious example is these NBA players who caught COVID. They recover and then return to the field in just weeks. I think it will be hard for people to expose high viral loads if not working in the hospital. The virus is pretty vulnerable outside its host.

The virus causes damage to the endothelial tissue particularly blood vessels even in people that are asymptomatic, so the long term effects in those folks are yet to be seen.

 

[vincent]

For most people, I don't think that's true. The most obvious example is these NBA players who caught COVID. They recover and then return to the field in just weeks. I think it will be hard for people to expose high viral loads if not working in the hospital. The virus is pretty vulnerable outside its host.

google “long tail of covid”

They call themselves "long-haulers", "long-tailers", or simply survivors. Some have been sick almost as longas the new coronavirus is known to have existed. Six months after the virus began to scorch its way across the planet, it is becoming clear that COVID-19 causes far more symptoms than first suspected.

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[Klon]

They did not show it in the front page as the the earlier article of the halt. They always do that, make it deafening loud when accusing, but sound as quite as mosquito when clearing up. They are never wrong technically. This is the tactic used for long long time.

Both Reuters and CNN have made the reports of resumption in their front page. Reuters yesterday and CNN today. That is why I said BBC is the worst.

Except that is not what you claimed originally, when you wrote "BBC published an article earlier about the hault. But so far have not published the new finding. I doubt BBC would do so." In fact, they had already published the follow-up. Now we have a new claim, unsourced and more difficult to check. Considering the only thing standing behind it is the word of someone just caught making things up, I'm not inclined to believe it unless evidence is provided.

 

[solarz]

Except that is not what you claimed originally, when you wrote "BBC published an article earlier about the hault. But so far have not published the new finding. I doubt BBC would do so." In fact, they had already published the follow-up. Now we have a new claim, unsourced and more difficult to check. Considering the only thing standing behind it is the word of someone just caught making things up, I'm not inclined to believe it unless evidence is provided.

So how did you find that follow up article? Did it show up in your news feed or did you have to search for it?

Do you think the average reader is going to search for the follow up article after reading the first front page article?

Do you understand what plausible deniability means?

 

[taxiya]

Except that is not what you claimed originally, when you wrote "BBC published an article earlier about the hault. But so far have not published the new finding. I doubt BBC would do so."

I admit that I did not write "front page". I don't have endless time to dig through every corner of their house, nobody could unless they have nothing else in life to do, do you? That is the point of mass media tricking general population. Speaking loudly when accusing, but hiding followups in piles of pile.

In fact, they had already published the follow-up. Now we have a new claim, unsourced and more difficult to check. Considering the only thing standing behind it is the word of someone just caught making things up, I'm not inclined to believe it unless evidence is provided.

Who is that someone making things up? Me or someone in Brazilian federal government?

 

[Klon]

So how did you find that follow up article? Did it show up in your news feed or did you have to search for it?

I typed 'vaccine' into the search window.

Do you think the average reader is going to search for the follow up article after reading the first front page article?

Do you understand what plausible deniability means?

As of now there is no evidence to show that only the first article was on the front page.

I admit that I did not write "front page".

And what you did write was wrong.

I don't have endless time to dig through every corner of their house, nobody could unless they have nothing else in life to do, do you?
That is the point of mass media tricking general population. Speaking loudly when accusing, but hiding followups in piles of pile.

Media critiques are usually more convincing if they are based on facts. Also, as of now there is no evidence to show that only the first article was on the front page.

Who is that someone making things up? Me or someone in Brazilian federal government?

In the case we're discussing, you.

 

[vesicles]

Watching news about making new records of the pandemic around world, and people are still arguing if it is worth putting another lockdown. I think about the reality, the death rate of COVID is not that horrible, and the majority of the victims are the old, the sick and the poor. This basically makes the pandemic a purge. This is a horrible and unethical thought: for the countries heavily hurt by COVID right now, will they get a healthier and more efficient society in the long term?

I don't think it works that way. It will eventually be a blind purge of the whole society, healthy and sick, young and old. No matter who gets sick, they will have to treated. That will overwhelm the entire health care system, and deplete all resources that are typically shared among all patients of all illnesses, not just COVID patients. With overwhelmed hospitals, people with normal illnesses will get less resources and less attention. Exhausted doctors and nurses will make more mistakes, which will lead to more deaths of normal patients, not just COVID patients. Nowadays, ERs at many hospitals have a wait time of >3 hours. I don't think many patients with heart attacks, car accidents or gun shot wounds going into the ER can afford to wait that long... They have nothing to do with COVID, but are suffering hugely from COVID.

Many COVID patients with light symptoms are developing long term health issues with their kidneys, livers and lungs. A large portion of these patients is actually kids and young adults. They will grow up with many underlying health issues, which will further strain our health care system. As taxpayers, we will all have to shoulder this burden for a long time. A nightmare at so many different levels is happening in front of our eyes...