Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

adiru

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So where is this vaccine? You don't think showing up with a vaccine a few months after a completely new virus turns up would be suspicious? Especially when no prior research leading up to the vaccine would have been published? You don't think the blow back from such a discovery would be far more damaging than any economic damage inflicted by the virus?

As for quarantine, how are you going to do that if the Chinese government covers up the outbreak? What would be your excuse? The lockdown on Wuhan happened on Jan 23rd, when the infection numbers were still only in the hundreds. The virus still went on to infect every province in China. If the outbreak was covered up, nobody would have had an inkling something was wrong before the virus had spread across the world.

There's a reason these kinds of biological attacks only happen in fiction.


"We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area."

"The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung.”

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Americans of Chinese descent, including those with partial Chinese ancestry constitute 1.5% of the total U.S. population as of 2017.

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solarz

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"We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area."

"The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung.”

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Americans of Chinese descent, including those with partial Chinese ancestry constitute 1.5% of the total U.S. population as of 2017.

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Do you even understand what the text you quoted is saying?
 

s002wjh

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sound like they are boosting immune system to fight it.

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esearchers racing to produce a vaccine for the Wuhan coronavirus believe they may have taken significant steps towards finding an effective method of immunisation.

At least three pharmaceutical companies, as well as teams of researchers around the world, have been working on different approaches to producing an effective vaccine. These efforts accelerated after Chinese academics publicly posted the genetic sequence for the virus.

A research team at the National Institutes of
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(NIH) in Maryland said they had prepared a modified version of a key section of the virus to encourage the body to produce antibodies against the disease.
As well as the NIH, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (Cepi) has
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(£8.4m) to three programmes led by the companies Inovio Pharmaceuticals and Moderna, and the University of Queensland, with the hope of having a viable vaccine in production within 16 weeks, although testing for safety and efficacy will take much longer.

With different teams competing to produce a trial vaccine, it remains unclear who is leading the race.

Kizzmekia Corbett, lead researcher on the NIH coronavirus vaccine team, said her group had been concentrating on the spike proteins – the spear point of the virus,. This built on work done during the severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) outbreak that first emerged in
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in 2001, another coronavirus thought to be similar to the Wuhan virus.

The virus looks like a knobbly ball covered in protrusions that widen at the tip. These are spike proteins, which are able to dock to a receptor found in the lung membrane known as ACE-2, which allows the virus to enter the body.Corbett said that since the release of the Chinese sequence on 10 January, her team had been working around the clock to produce a stable version of the key protein that would prompt a strong antibody defence to prevent the virus entering the body.
She said: “Coronaviruses are generally just a large family of pathogens of which six – well, now seven – are infectious to humans.

“Sars and the Wuhan coronavirus are similar across 82% of the entire genome. But from a vaccine point of view we were interested only in the spike, which is 70% identical.

“We had already published research on Sars and Mers (Middle East respiratory syndrome) and shown we could drop some stabilising mutations into the backbone of the spike after a colleague did this with the S protein of the respiratory syncytial virus,” she added.

“Since 2017 we have been looking at how you give the body the right kind of messenger RNA that will attract the right type of cells to produce the right type of antibodies to produce a potent vaccine. We’ve been doing these sequences for the last three years now so we can basically plug and play, and are now able to look at any coronavirus spike sequence.”

One of the problems, said Corbett, is that the corona spike protein is the largest of its kind to infect humans. “One of the reasons it’s so hard to look at is because is is so big and floppy,” she said.

Corbett believed the previous work done at her institute and others may have reduced the timeframe for producing an effective vaccine. “We don’t want to ignite public hope but the goal is do it as fast as we can and we are working day and night. I lost 7lb in recent weeks!”

The NIH team is among several that have been working on solutions to the wider problem of coronaviruses since the first emergence of Sars. Many of the teams noted that vaccine work would be further advanced if not for the loss of interest in research after the Sars outbreak was brought under control.
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three months. That’s as long as Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, is willing to wait to get a vaccine candidate against the latest coronavirus that he can start testing in people.

Since the virus was identified for the first time in people who fell ill with
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, last December, the World Health Organization has
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, named 2019n-CoV, a public health emergency of international concern. In just over a month,
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, and more than 250 have died.

When it comes to infectious diseases like this one,
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are the strongest weapons that health officials have. Getting vaccinated can protect people from getting infected in the first place, and if viruses or bacteria have nowhere to go, they have no way to spread from person to person.
The problem is, vaccines take time to develop. Traditional methods, while extremely effective in controlling highly contagious diseases like measles, require growing large amounts of virus or bacteria, which takes months. Those microbes then become the key element in a vaccine — the so-called antigen that alerts the human immune system that some foreign interlopers have invaded the body and need to be evicted.

However, researchers at
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, Cambridge, Mass., have developed a potential shortcut to this laborious process that could shorten the time it takes to develop vaccines against ongoing outbreaks like the current coronavirus. They’re turning the human body into a living lab for churning out the viral red flags that activate the immune system.Vaccines essentially give the
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a crash course in recognizing and rallying defenses against disease-causing microbes like bacteria or viruses. They do this by priming the immune cells with a taste of what they’re supposed to recognize — in some cases vaccines contain killed or compromised bacteria or viruses that aren’t able to cause disease, but still set off alarms to the immune cells that they are foreign and unwelcome intruders. Once the body sees these microbes, they can make antibodies that mark them for destruction, and these antibodies remain as sentries for recognizing future invasions by the same microscopic marauders.
Other vaccines educate the immune system by simply exposing immune cells not to the microbes themselves, but only the proteins that the viruses or bacteria make; enough of these foreign proteins can also prime immune cells to recognize them as unwelcome.

Researchers at Moderna hot wired this process by packing their vaccine with mRNA, the genetic material that comes from DNA and makes proteins. Moderna’s idea is to load its coronavirus vaccine with mRNA that codes for the right coronavirus proteins and then inject that into the body. Immune cells in the lymph can process that mRNA and start making the protein in just the right way for other immune cells to recognize them so they can mount a response against an actual viral infection. Dr. Stephen Hoge, president of Moderna, explains that “mRNA is really like a software molecule in biology.” “So our vaccine is like the software program to the body, which then goes and makes the [viral] proteins that can generate an immune response.”
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
biowarfare is pretty much banned, anyone use it is consider warcrime. no sane politician gonna use it. i say stop the conspiracy theories.
 

solarz

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sound like they are boosting immune system to fight it.

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On the other hand, vaccines are intended to be injected into healthy individuals to prevent diseases. You don't want to damage the health of perfectly healthy individuals. It is, thus, absolutely essential that the toxicity and side effect must be kept to the lowest possible level. That's why vaccines must be tested thoroughly with multiple large-scale clinical trials, which all need to be continuously monitored for long periods of time to make sure there is no long term side effects. The mortality rate of a vaccine must be lower than 1 in 100,000. Keep in mind that vaccines are added benefits for healthy individuals. So vaccines usually come out slowly.

This is why I don't think we'll see a vaccine anytime soon. You can't safely accelerate the clinical trial stage of the development.
 

vesicles

Colonel
"We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area."

"The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung.”

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Americans of Chinese descent, including those with partial Chinese ancestry constitute 1.5% of the total U.S. population as of 2017.

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Ok, I would like to caution everyone who has read this preprint. This is a draft manuscript uploaded onto the BioArchive site, which means it has NOT been peer reviewed! The quality of this study has NOT been evaluated by peer experts in any way.

Secondly, in their analysis, they only had 8 patient samples, vastly inadequate for this kind of statistical analysis. They also only had ONE Asian male sample, which happened to contain the highest level of ACE2. And this male was a former smoker... The data extracted from this study can be hugely misleading. So be very careful!
 
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plawolf

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Can we stop with all the unsubstantiated speculation? It’s spamming the thread and making it harder to find real, useful information. Thanks.
 

vesicles

Colonel
"We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area."

"The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung.”

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Actually, the only proper conclusion from this preprint is that nothing can be concluded from this study. Again, no conclusion can be logically and scientifically made from this study. Irrelevant of their results, their methods had been seriously flawed. Nothing should be concluded from this. Nothing!
 

Gatekeeper

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Never let a crisis goes to waste! Typical MSM trying to make something out of h8s crisis to smear China again. When will they ever stop!

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Fury in China as footage appears to show officials taking doctors’ face masks


Local and central government officials face growing wave of anger over handling of coronavirus outbreak

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in Beijing
Sun 2 Feb 2020 09.37 EST

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localizer

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^ lol "taking" makes it sound like the officials ripped the masks off the doctors and used it on themselves.



I wonder if there are still animals infecting each other out there right now.
 
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