Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
vincent said:
I’m not in the medical field, but I believe this phase of the trial is to make sure the vaccine is safe before injecting thousands with it. You are looking adverse effects, and you want a control group to make sure the adverse effects aren’t psychological
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Yes, for something like a blood pressure drug, it would work like that but how can you psychologically develop COVID-19 specific antibodies? And if people develop flu-like adverse effects after a vehicle injection as well as the vaccine, are you going to disclaim it as an adverse effect or not? Did it come from the environment or from psychology?
 
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vincent

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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manqiangrexue said:
Yes, for something like a blood pressure drug, it would work like that but how can you psychologically develop COVID-19 specific antibodies?
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like i said before, this phase of the trial is to test the safety of the vaccine, not the effectiveness
 
plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Jura said:
in response to someone in some other thread I posted Mar 26, 2020


it sounded like a lot at that time to me (apparently not to the other guy though), and sixteen (16) days later they'll likely have 1k dead in one day:
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EDIT now noticed it'd mean 10k dead in total reached today

Last updated: April 11, 2020, 09:56 GMT

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United Kingdom

Coronavirus Cases:
73,758

Deaths:
8,958
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The UK doesn’t report the deaths for a day until the afternoon, so those above figures are actually only up to 10APR2020.

The latest figures for 11APR2020 were just released.

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917 new deaths, bring total up to 9,875
 
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AndrewS

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localizer said:
No volunteer will risk that because the vaccine might not work. Phase 2 is just to show there's good immune response in humans.

The phase 2 trial mentioned is for a specific antigen, thus it is even more likely to fail when compared to a live kill or attenuated vaccine.
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I disagree. There will be volunteers who want to be deliberately infected.

Remember, the death rate is almost ZERO for under 40s.

And if 50% of the population is going to be infected anyway, why not get the vaccine, and then have an even better chance of surviving.

Doctors and nurses (who have had the vaccine) would want to be deliberately infected as well.

Better to receive a small COVID-19 dose now, which will confer immunity.
The alternative is to be exposed to large amounts of virus in a hospital, which could potentially overwhelm the immune system.

The indications from other viruses are that the amount of exposure can matter a lot.
But we'll have to TEST this with deliberate infections

Article on intentional infection study below.
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