Jr also said that anyone who praises the Chinese COVID-19 response is a CCP shill right after his dad praised Xi Jinping.
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Jr also said that anyone who praises the Chinese COVID-19 response is a CCP shill right after his dad praised Xi Jinping.
To be fair, the memo is written by Navarro, and I can't blame anybody for not reading his memos. Trump himself looks down at him and has made fun of him in public. That's the message when he says "I didn't look for it [the memo] either". His attitude was even shown in a video of Trump with Liu He and the American negotiating team in Washington, where you can see Liu He laughing at Trump's joke about Navarro, who is also present.
But we all know well that the US gov was discussing the situation in China intensely back in January and February. Curiously, they seemed to be focusing more on how to gain some advantage over China from this crisis, and screwed themselves in the process, as if nothing could happen in the US.
coolieno99
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It's much easier to stop the stores from selling fur-lined clothes, then to arrest someone on the street wearing them.
To ban selling fur but not wearing fur will just breed black markets. You have to ban both.
Nothing in the tradition forbids keeping dogs as pet. Although it's unfortunate in the past as it is now that some rich people would rather spend money on their pets than to help fellow human beings.
Intrepid
Major
The 10 major countries on earth that have been hardest hit by Covid-19 so far (deaths per 1 million population):
Spain = 342
Italy = 312
Belgium = 260
France = 202
Netherlands = 147
UK = 132
Switzerland = 116
Sweden = 86
Ireland = 58
USA = 56
As the virus slowly spreads from Asia across Europe and North America to South America and Africa across the globe, this list is likely to be topped by other countries next month.
For comparison:
China = 2
New York = 400
Hubei = 55
Spain = 342
Italy = 312
Belgium = 260
France = 202
Netherlands = 147
UK = 132
Switzerland = 116
Sweden = 86
Ireland = 58
USA = 56
As the virus slowly spreads from Asia across Europe and North America to South America and Africa across the globe, this list is likely to be topped by other countries next month.
For comparison:
China = 2
New York = 400
Hubei = 55
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manqiangrexue
Brigadier
I was going to post that the entire US has surpassed Hubei province in terms of per capita deaths.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I was watching CNN's weekly townhall on the coronavirus last night. They were talking about how China was tracking people in this very way and Anderson Cooper was frightened by it and said it would never happen in the US. Sounds like they've actually taken it further because in China it's the government that only knows not private citizens knowing.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
The ‘Chinese cover-up’ stories is actually a good case study of the power of American propaganda brain washing. However, it’s effectiveness could actually massively backfire in the medium to long term and do massive damage to American soft power.
Now, firstly, it wasn’t an omission to call this an American propaganda drive, because other than some fringe extreme pro-US publications, these stories are gaining zero traction in Europe. Not even the British BBC is reporting on it, at all. Censoring this news is about as far as they are willing to stick their necks out to help America in this, because they know that if they reported on this, the overwhelming response from the British public would be massively negative towards this America move.
In the past, western and American propaganda worked so effectively because they were smart and subtle. They played the long game with small, hard to spot nudges and nods that gently shaped public opinion without leaving any obvious traces or damaging evidence. They built up the desired narrative and impressions over years and decades, alongside the reputations of the news organisations they created and nurtured for this mission.
This current drive is pure brutal-force disinformation force-feeding and outright lies. It is apparently working, but only in America, and only thanks to the insular nature of most average Americans who don’t care much about international news and won’t have been following the outbreak in real time.
For all who has been following this outbreak in real time, this new American narrative will clash jarringly with what they have seen with their own eyes, so the harder America pushes the narrative, the more they will see it for the propaganda lies that it is, and maybe start wondering what else they have been told by the western MSM are also lies.
Trump doesn’t really care how much damage is done to America’s information warfare directorate aka the western MSM, so long as he can brainwash enough Americans into not blaming him for the disastrous way his administration has handled this outbreak to re-elect him in November. This propaganda drive is focused at American voters only.
Hence why America’s traditional propaganda partners in Europe and the rest of the world are not really jumping on this bandwagon. It will be too much of an ask since their own populations are far more clued up about the outbreak because of the earlier outbreaks in Europe; and Europeans don’t get a vote in America’s election, so this message wasn’t intended for their audiences so why would they trash their reputations for no reason?
Censorship is the best way they are helping their American partners right now, but hiding the propaganda drive from their domestic audiences, they are helping to limit the amount of reputational damage American MSM is doing to themselves. But still, a lot of people around the world are now getting a first hand glimpse behind the curtains of western MSM informational warfare, and many of them will never treat western MSM the same again because of it.
As others have pointed out, America hasn’t got a leg to stand on to take any formal action against China, so the damage they are doing to China is negligible and certainly nothing beyond what the western MSM does at every opportunity anyways. However, the damage they are self inflicting on themselves and their reputations will be much more significant and long lasting.
In my view, this is very much another Iraqi WMD level incident, whereby people’s around the world will forever reference back to this episode to discredit American MSM in the future, and it will be just as damaging to their reputations as the Iraqi WMD fiasco was for the reputations of American MSM. The big difference is that America conned the world into allowing it to invade Iraq to offset the price it paid in reputation. It will gain nothing with its slandering of China.
Now, firstly, it wasn’t an omission to call this an American propaganda drive, because other than some fringe extreme pro-US publications, these stories are gaining zero traction in Europe. Not even the British BBC is reporting on it, at all. Censoring this news is about as far as they are willing to stick their necks out to help America in this, because they know that if they reported on this, the overwhelming response from the British public would be massively negative towards this America move.
In the past, western and American propaganda worked so effectively because they were smart and subtle. They played the long game with small, hard to spot nudges and nods that gently shaped public opinion without leaving any obvious traces or damaging evidence. They built up the desired narrative and impressions over years and decades, alongside the reputations of the news organisations they created and nurtured for this mission.
This current drive is pure brutal-force disinformation force-feeding and outright lies. It is apparently working, but only in America, and only thanks to the insular nature of most average Americans who don’t care much about international news and won’t have been following the outbreak in real time.
For all who has been following this outbreak in real time, this new American narrative will clash jarringly with what they have seen with their own eyes, so the harder America pushes the narrative, the more they will see it for the propaganda lies that it is, and maybe start wondering what else they have been told by the western MSM are also lies.
Trump doesn’t really care how much damage is done to America’s information warfare directorate aka the western MSM, so long as he can brainwash enough Americans into not blaming him for the disastrous way his administration has handled this outbreak to re-elect him in November. This propaganda drive is focused at American voters only.
Hence why America’s traditional propaganda partners in Europe and the rest of the world are not really jumping on this bandwagon. It will be too much of an ask since their own populations are far more clued up about the outbreak because of the earlier outbreaks in Europe; and Europeans don’t get a vote in America’s election, so this message wasn’t intended for their audiences so why would they trash their reputations for no reason?
Censorship is the best way they are helping their American partners right now, but hiding the propaganda drive from their domestic audiences, they are helping to limit the amount of reputational damage American MSM is doing to themselves. But still, a lot of people around the world are now getting a first hand glimpse behind the curtains of western MSM informational warfare, and many of them will never treat western MSM the same again because of it.
As others have pointed out, America hasn’t got a leg to stand on to take any formal action against China, so the damage they are doing to China is negligible and certainly nothing beyond what the western MSM does at every opportunity anyways. However, the damage they are self inflicting on themselves and their reputations will be much more significant and long lasting.
In my view, this is very much another Iraqi WMD level incident, whereby people’s around the world will forever reference back to this episode to discredit American MSM in the future, and it will be just as damaging to their reputations as the Iraqi WMD fiasco was for the reputations of American MSM. The big difference is that America conned the world into allowing it to invade Iraq to offset the price it paid in reputation. It will gain nothing with its slandering of China.
