The Italian coronavirus came from Wuhan via Germany.
The link to the paper is posted. If you read it, you will get your answer.
The virus map looks the same as the one in the previous paper.
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The Italian coronavirus came from Wuhan via Germany.
The link to the paper is posted. If you read it, you will get your answer.
The virus map looks the same as the one in the previous paper.
And it is the proof of ?
I mean, what useful information this fact carry apart highlighting the role of aviation in spreading the virus ?
vesicles
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Lately, a lot of governments and people in various countries want to put the blame entirely on China. However, the latest studies are coming out and saying that, if they did the same tough measures, which they employed against China, on themselves, they should be ok.
All the latest genetic and epidemiological studies actually tell several important things:
(1) Governments in Europe and the US knew exactly what happened in China and how terrible it was. Thats why their own "quarantining China" policies had been successful. They immediately shut down all travels with China. that's why the initial Chinese strains didn't explode outside of China. So no more excuses and no more "you didn't tell us and we had no idea!" No one was left in the dark! That's why everyone started isolating China.
A good example of this uneven policy would be Taiwan. Taiwan initially had a very tough lockdown policies on anyone coming from China. Because of that, they managed to keep the confirmed cases down to about a total of ~20 cases throughout late January, entire Feb and early March. However, Taiwan has a very soft policy with Europe and the US. That's why their cases also exploded to >300 since the sudden outbreak in Europe and the US in mid March.
(2) Very few infected Chinese "escaped" Wuhan before their lockdown. Many have been accusing China of letting so many infected people escape to all corners of the world before the lockdown. If this happened and no one in Europe and the US did anything to stop the transmission for 2 months (from the lockdown of Wuhan to the later explosion in Europe and the US), the entire world would be filled with virus strains directly coming out of China. However, this is not the case. For example, the outbreak in the US is dominated with strains coming from Italy. If both Chinese strains and the Italian ones had been allowed to propagate uncontrolled in the US, the Chinese strains, being the older strains with more time to mutate and to replicate, should dominate between the two populations if left unchecked. Yet, this is not the case at all. The the direct Chinese strains are almost non-existent. That means very few direct Chinese strains managed to arrive at the US. that means very few Wuhan population escaped.
(3) Many have been questioning the Chinese numbers, mainly the amazingly low case totals in the provinces other than the province of Hubei, where Wuhan is the capital city. Given their assumption that many many people escaped Wuhan before the lockdown and spread out all of China, it would be impossible for China's other provinces to have such low case totals. Hence, fake numbers! Well, we now know very few people escaped Wuhan and caused no damage in other parts of the world, most of which had implemented nothing to control the spread of anything. Given how tough all other Chinese provinces had been screening for Wuhan people and other potentially infected people, it makes perfect sense that China has been able to keep the case total low in other provinces.
All the latest genetic and epidemiological studies actually tell several important things:
(1) Governments in Europe and the US knew exactly what happened in China and how terrible it was. Thats why their own "quarantining China" policies had been successful. They immediately shut down all travels with China. that's why the initial Chinese strains didn't explode outside of China. So no more excuses and no more "you didn't tell us and we had no idea!" No one was left in the dark! That's why everyone started isolating China.
A good example of this uneven policy would be Taiwan. Taiwan initially had a very tough lockdown policies on anyone coming from China. Because of that, they managed to keep the confirmed cases down to about a total of ~20 cases throughout late January, entire Feb and early March. However, Taiwan has a very soft policy with Europe and the US. That's why their cases also exploded to >300 since the sudden outbreak in Europe and the US in mid March.
(2) Very few infected Chinese "escaped" Wuhan before their lockdown. Many have been accusing China of letting so many infected people escape to all corners of the world before the lockdown. If this happened and no one in Europe and the US did anything to stop the transmission for 2 months (from the lockdown of Wuhan to the later explosion in Europe and the US), the entire world would be filled with virus strains directly coming out of China. However, this is not the case. For example, the outbreak in the US is dominated with strains coming from Italy. If both Chinese strains and the Italian ones had been allowed to propagate uncontrolled in the US, the Chinese strains, being the older strains with more time to mutate and to replicate, should dominate between the two populations if left unchecked. Yet, this is not the case at all. The the direct Chinese strains are almost non-existent. That means very few direct Chinese strains managed to arrive at the US. that means very few Wuhan population escaped.
(3) Many have been questioning the Chinese numbers, mainly the amazingly low case totals in the provinces other than the province of Hubei, where Wuhan is the capital city. Given their assumption that many many people escaped Wuhan before the lockdown and spread out all of China, it would be impossible for China's other provinces to have such low case totals. Hence, fake numbers! Well, we now know very few people escaped Wuhan and caused no damage in other parts of the world, most of which had implemented nothing to control the spread of anything. Given how tough all other Chinese provinces had been screening for Wuhan people and other potentially infected people, it makes perfect sense that China has been able to keep the case total low in other provinces.
antiterror13
Brigadier
There is only one strain of Covid-19 virus in China but there are 5 strains in the US, The Covid-19 strain in Italy is not the same as the one in China, but the same as one of the strains in the US
supercat
Major
Situation in New York metro area:
Situation in the U.S. on April 9 at 8:00 pm EDT:
On April 9, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 38 imported new cases and 4 domestic ones. 3 of the 4 new cases are in Guangdong. I'm wondering if they are from the African community there. There were a cluster of 5 new cases in Guangdong a few days ago. There are 47 new asymptomatic cases. All 3 new suspected cases are imported. There is 1 death nationwide. There are 77,455 cured cases and 1,116 existing cases. Existing cases in Hong Kong and Macau decreased 16 to a total of 711, and there is no new death.
Situation in the U.S. on April 9 at 8:00 pm EDT:
On April 9, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 38 imported new cases and 4 domestic ones. 3 of the 4 new cases are in Guangdong. I'm wondering if they are from the African community there. There were a cluster of 5 new cases in Guangdong a few days ago. There are 47 new asymptomatic cases. All 3 new suspected cases are imported. There is 1 death nationwide. There are 77,455 cured cases and 1,116 existing cases. Existing cases in Hong Kong and Macau decreased 16 to a total of 711, and there is no new death.
Identifying by first record location is relatively easy for most people. However it has the inaccurate implications of origin or even intent that some people like to use to point fingers.
"For years, it was common for viral diseases to be linked with the landscapes, places or regions where the first virus outbreak occurred – the Middle East respiratory syndrome and the Zika virus, which is named after a forest in Uganda, to name a few.
But in 2015, the World Health Organization (WHO) introduced guidelines to stop this practice and thereby reduce stigma and negative impacts. The guidelines also highlighted that when an outbreak happens, everyone will be at risk no matter who they are or where they come from."
Hence there is no excuse to continue pointing to countries where pandemic outbreak first started. Intentional use of such language today are irresponsible and malicious with ulterior motives. Just look around and see who are those that continue to do so.
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solarz
Brigadier
It's like we're living in the Twilight Zone these days, where supposed adults can't remember what they read in the news a few weeks ago!
某些西方国家现在直接耍流氓，颠倒是非，无耻透顶！