Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
It would never stop one way or the other. The conservatives have never stopped using the term "Wuhan virus." WSJ is not the only source of cheap shots coming from the US. From late Feb to late March, China is under tremendous pressure especially from the US. The tipping point isn't WSJ article but Pompeo's assertion that the virus came from Wuhan lab. That is a rumor that China can't allow to spread especially by the secretary of state of the US.

If the virus didn't become pandemic, then the attacks would focus on China and its incompetent and some conspiracy theories. The western media would praise the western system and how it has effectively contained the virus. Since it has become a pandemic and the western countries are so incompetent. Trump has no choice but attempted to divert the attention from his administration towards China. Trump was asked not to use Wuhan or Chinese virus by his subordinates so he has restrained from using it for a few weeks. But things since have changed. The final trigger is a heated exchange between China and the US in the last few days. It is pretty much a war of words and relationship between US and China is at a very low point.

Yeah and let the US embarrass itself. But Beijing gave the China haters some relief by making this an issue. Beijing made it more than it is by giving attention to it. I'm for getting all down and dirty all the way tit-for-tat but I know Beijing doesn't want that. By making this an issue, it was unnecessary. It's interesting that people say China should take the high road. Why not here? That's why I'm wondering if this is a cultural thing. Here in the US Asians-Americans will complain publicly about superficial things but they hardly do anything on serious issues.
 

Gatekeeper

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One of my Italian friends re-posted a message on Facebook from the Italian foreign minister thanking China for the aid and medical personal China has been sending Italy. Reading the comments, there was a huge amount of gratitude towards China from Italians (also some obligatory haters of course), but one of the things that struck me was how absolutely blanket the omission in coverage is on this subject in the UK.

Even specifically searching for key terms yielded zero BBC articles relevant.

But in the process I did come across this.

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I picked some particularly telling quotes




It is pretty telling that in that whole long winded article, the author failed to express any actual detectable sympathy towards the Italian state or people, with all his arguments based on the benefits fellow NATO members (and by extension the US) can gain by keeping Italy ‘on side’.

Although such a selfish mentality might explain why he would spend so much of the article nit picking about China’s actual aid efforts to help Italy and characterises it as ‘taking advantage of the situation’, since apparently the only reason he can think of for helping others is if he has more to gain from doing it.

An interesting point many Italian people were pointing out in Facebook was that the entire Chinese medical team sent to Italy are all from Sichuan.

That is because China remembers the help Italy sent during the Sichuan earthquake rescue and recovery effort.

There are touching photographs of the same Chinese and Italian doctors working together in both China and Italy.

That is true class and genuine empathy, and I suspect that even the western MSM recognises it, which is why they are burying this entire story.

I think it is time China became more assertive in taking a global leadership role in tackling COVID19, because the absolute mess the west is making of their collective response is not only creating untold numbers of needless deaths and suffering in their own populations, they are threatening the rest of the world and China itself. Already in most of a China imported cases are outnumbering local ones.

Right now the biggest threat to China of a second wave of the virus outbreak does not come from within, but from imported foreign cases as Chinese nationals flee back home because of how bad the west is dropping the ball on this.

This is born out by my post earlier (not sure if its deleted by the "purge" - lol, that's sound so ironic)! showing people in Italy playing the Chinese national anthem and Italians shouting "gracias, Cina" (thanks, China).

Anyway, here's the cartoon again

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Plus supplies gratefully received.

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shanlung

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Lost for worlds. Coming from the leader of the "free world"! It is little wonder that rednecks thinks is ok to offend people, since the leader of the "free world" does it also!
My usage of that c***k word ,even if that upset one of us here, had got to be used. As that is the fundamental racist attitude of Muricans, and others who think like Muricans, and their politicians and MSM.

I said before we should not just look at the bullet that hit the guy. We need to see the mind behind the finger that pulled the trigger.
And that exactly what it was .
 

shanlung

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Well this is the part where Beijing embarrasses itself and brought it upon themselves. I think it was the Wall Street Journal that first got the attention of Beijing for calling it the "Wuhan virus" to which Beijing bothered to complain publicly about it. I don't know if this is cultural for them to speak up about such slights but because they did, it gave it more attention to then give all the China haters an excuse to start using it more. Did they think if they complain about it, they're going to stop? No, they're going to do it more.

So just turn your face and give them the other cheek to slap?;)
 

shanlung

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Such a good article from Newsweek not to share...please send to all you know.

Really good article on Covid-19 from Newsweek:

Opinion: Young and unafraid of the Coronavirus pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people!

I'm a doctor in a major hospital in Western Europe. Watching you Americans (and you, Brits) in these still-early days of the coronavirus pandemic is like watching a familiar horror movie, where the protagonists, yet again, split into pairs or decide to take a tour of a dark basement.

The real-life versions of this behavior are pretending this is just a flu; keeping schools open; following through with your holiday travel plans, and going into the office daily. This is what we did in Italy. We were so complacent that even when people with coronavirus symptoms started turning up, we wrote each off as a nasty case of the flu. We kept the economy going, pointed fingers at China and urged tourists to keep traveling. And the majority of us told ourselves and each other: this isn't so bad. We're young, we're fit, we'll be fine even if we catch it.

Fast-forward two months, and we are drowning. Statistically speaking—judging by the curve in China—we are not even at the peak yet, but our fatality rate is at over 6 percent, double the known global average.

Put aside statistics. Here is how it looks in practice. Most of my childhood friends are now doctors working in north Italy. In Milan, in Bergamo, in Padua, they are having to choose between intubating a 40-year-old with two kids, a 40-year old who is fit and healthy with no co-morbidities, and a 60-year-old with high blood pressure, because they don't have enough beds. In the hallway, meanwhile, there are another 15 people waiting who are already hardly breathing and need oxygen.

The army is trying to bring some of them to other regions with helicopters but it's not enough: the flow is just too much, too many people are getting sick at the same time.

We are still awaiting the peak of the epidemic in Europe: probably early April for Italy, mid-April for Germany and Switzerland, somewhere around that time for the UK. In the U.S., the infection has only just begun.

But until we're past the peak, the only solution is to impose social restrictions.

And if your government is hesitating, these restrictions are up to you. Stay put. Do not travel. Cancel that family reunion, the promotion party and the big night out. This really sucks, but these are special times. Don't take risks. Do not go to places where you are more than 20 people in the same room. It's not safe and it's not worth it.

Here's why: Fatality is the wrong yardstick. Catching the virus can mess up your life in many, many more ways than just straight-up killing you. "We are all young"—okay. "Even if we get the bug, we will survive"—fantastic. How about needing four months of physical therapy before you even feel human again. Or getting scar tissue in your lungs and having your activity level restricted for the rest of your life. Not to mention having every chance of catching another bug in hospital, while you're being treated or waiting to get checked with an immune system distracted even by the false alarm of an ordinary flu. No travel for leisure or business is worth this risk.

Now, odds are, you might catch coronavirus and might not even get symptoms. Great. Good for you. Very bad for everyone else, from your own grandparents to the random older person who got on the subway train a stop or two after you got off. You're fine, you're barely even sneezing or coughing, but you're walking around and you kill a couple of old ladies without even knowing it. Is that fair? You tell me.

My personal as well as professional view: we all have a duty to stay put, except for very special reasons, like, you go to work because you work in healthcare, or you have to save a life and bring someone to hospital, or go out to shop for food so you can survive. But when we get to this stage of a pandemic, it's really important not to spread the bug. The only thing that helps is social restriction. Ideally, the government should issue that instruction and provide a financial fallback—compensate business owners, ease the financial load on everyone as much as possible and reduce the incentive of risking your life or the lives of others just to make ends meet. But if your government or company is slow on the uptake, don't be that person. Take responsibility. For all but essential movement, restrict yourself.

This is epidemiology 101. It really sucks. It is extreme—but luckily, we don't have pandemics of this violence every year. So sit it out. Stay put. Don't travel. It is absolutely not worth it.

It's the civic and moral duty of every person, everywhere, to take part in the global effort to reduce this threat to humanity. To postpone any movement or travel that are not vitally essential, and to spread the disease as little as possible. Have your fun in June, July and August when this—hopefully—is over. Stay safe. Good luck.

The author is a senior doctor in a major European hospital. She asked to remain anonymous because she has not been authorized to speak to the press.
 
The real heroes. Everyone in China is a hero, the manufacturers that produce goods, the army, the construction workers, the people that followed quarantine rules, everyone except the hanjian terrorists and foreign spies.

I second that. Thank you China, CCP, medical workers and people for your endurance and hard work. It pains me to see some of your colleagues are no longer here for us to share our humble appreciation. Your sacrifices bought us much time to prepare and will never be forgotten by good decent folks. It is unfortunate that your sacrifices are still being maligned by despicable forces. 多謝 加油 to you all.
 
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supercat

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For those who are worth their salt, they will realize that nowadays all the U.S. can do is to bash China. They can't contain the virus in their own country, let alone helping others like China is doing now.

Meanwhile in China, on Mar. 17, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 13 new cases and 11 deaths (table 1). There are 1 new case and 11 deaths in Hubei including Wuhan (table 2). For the first time, there is no domestic new case or death in the rest of China excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan. All 12 cases outside Hubei were imported from overseas. The most important thing for China to do now is to prevent the second wave imported from overseas.

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Table 2:
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Table 3:
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