Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[solarz]

Yes, but regardless CFR, 61,000 is still a massive number of death assuming same data for 2019. How many of these can really be attributable to COVID-19 if properly diagnose? Saying that 50 to 1000 more death can easily be misdiagnosed.

Except that it doesn't make sense. We've seen how infectious COVID19 is when unchecked, so if it really was circulating in 2019 and nobody even knew its existence, it should have had massive infection numbers and correspondingly massive deaths.

Now it is entirely possible that COVID19 is a virulent strain of a previously more benign coronavirus, and we simply don't know where it originated from, but remember that coronavirus is a large family and it has always circulated along with influenza.

IMO, regardless of where it came from, COVID19 is characterized by its virulence, and this was only first discovered in Wuhan.

 

[Dolcevita]

Well, it's more complex than just contribution. It's also receiving funds from the EU, the last time I look (and this is from memory and generalisation) most, if not all southern and eastern european countries are what's known as net beneficiaries. That is, they get more funds than they put in. It is the northern europeans inc. Germany and UK that made up the budget shortfall.

I remember in my youth when I was travelling in eastern and southern europe, on nearly every new Freeways, there are always signs stating "project funded by EU"! So the amount of monies received is huge!

Now, after saying that, it shouldn't mean in today's EU, Italy shouldn't be given help in this, their hours of need. But alas, no, EU see fit not to offer help to poor old Italy!

If I were Italian, I would be thinking what good is EU if it cannot help me in my time of need. EU is being short-sighted and is going to self-destruct if this is allowed to stand. Freeways can wait. Lives are lost once and there is no turning back.

Even Trump took the time to send a bigly sweet Tweet just now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1238880558052257794

 

[Gatekeeper]

At the risk of sounding political (especially as a mod), I still feel obligated to say this:
Maybe the media was right about the covid outbreak being a Chernobyl moment. They were simply wrong about whose Chernobyl moment it was.

Spot on, the MSM been wishing, and indeed been actively engineering a "Chernobyl" moment for China, whether through Hong Kong, Xinjiang, or any other geo-poiltical place for a long time!

Only now, they might actually succeed...... but might not be the way they intended!

My Respect to you for seeing it as it is, Siege, our sensible Mod!

 

[Gatekeeper]

If I were Italian, I would be thinking what good is EU if it cannot help me in my time of need. EU is being short-sighted and is going to self-destruct if this is allowed to stand. Freeways can wait. Lives are lost once and there is no turning back.

Even Trump took the time to send a sweet Tweet just now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1238880558052257794

Problem is, the Italians and the southern europeans are beholden to the EU for their economic development.

 

[Dolcevita]

Problem is, the Italians and the southern europeans are beholden to the EU for their economic development.

I could be wrong but I thought Italy is a net benefactor among the 28 EU members. Surely some sort of accommodation can be made.

 

[Dolcevita]

Except that it doesn't make sense. We've seen how infectious COVID19 is when unchecked, so if it really was circulating in 2019 and nobody even knew its existence, it should have had massive infection numbers and correspondingly massive deaths.

Now it is entirely possible that COVID19 is a virulent strain of a previously more benign coronavirus, and we simply don't know where it originated from, but remember that coronavirus is a large family and it has always circulated along with influenza.

IMO, regardless of where it came from, COVID19 is characterized by its virulence, and this was only first discovered in Wuhan.

I guess we'll not know the extent of the infection and deaths until the end of the 2019 flu season. We'll just have to deduct the reported COVID-19 infection number and death in order to gain visibility on trend and possible numbers of misdiagnosed cases.

 

[plawolf]

CNBC are running the story as well.

The Germans must be furious.
Stealing a German vaccine and only keeping it for Americans instead of sharing with the world?

Surely there are national security legislation the Germans could enact to effectively requisition the company and research? It’s exactly what the US would do if the tables were turned.

 

[Gatekeeper]

I could be wrong but I thought Italy is a net benefactor among the 28 EU members. Surely some sort of accommodation can be made.

Yea, net BENEFACTOR. meaning it received more than it contribute. The other way round would be net contributor!

 

[Gatekeeper]

Surely there are national security legislation the Germans could enact to effectively requisition the company and research? It’s exactly what the US would do if the tables were turned.

Wolf, who's got military bases in whose country?

 

[localizer]

Western superiority complex will be the end of them eventually.