Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[manqiangrexue]

All for eradicating animal cruelty and wild animal markets with very little health authority oversight and management. But this wouldn't be saving money for China as a whole. It would save these individual consumers some money and they are such a small microscopic size of the Chinese population, but it would cost the business operators income.

Those business owners need to change their model. All they do is siphon Chinese money out to foreign countries that provide these endangered exotic animals. Other than that, Chinese people think about food too much; they pay anything and go to any lengths as though eating something expensive is the only way to honor your guest. As far as I'm concerned, if it's convenient and well-priced to eat something special like a king crab, then by all means, treat it. But making it a show of honor by paying thousands of dollars to foreign fishermen (or poachers) for luxury foods is just nonsense. If you can't do business/have a fun get-together over some good cheap food and drinks, then you don't have anything going for your relationship anyway.

I know, I'm gonna be screwed when I go to China and try to make relationships LOL

 

[obj 705A]

@solarz
now that didn't take long did it?
People's daily: 106 deaths, 4193 infections, 58 recoveries.
when the death count reaches one thousand come back to me here again & link me that video of Dr. Whatever.

 

[obj 705A]

China has enough doctors to deal with this crisis. Not sure why you would suggest that they need helps from other countries.

doctors are overworked & simply cannot handle the numbers, more doctors means more rest for them.

 

[manqiangrexue]

@solarz
now that didn't take long did it?
People's daily: 106 deaths, 4193 infections, 58 recoveries.
when the death count reaches one thousand come back to me here again & link me that video of Dr. Whatever.

What is the importance of the number 1,000? How many people would you expect to die in a normal flu year for a country the size of China? How does that compare with that of other countries?

 

[vesicles]

At my hospital we get annual flu shots for free and frankly it's a case of "it's my responsibility to as a frontline HCW"

If one good thing has come out of this episode is that hopefully people around the world will generally be more vigilant to get their vaccinations.

Absolutely! To be honest, I’ve been having a little phobia for flu shots since my grad school time when one of my lab mates had an experimental vaccine shot. He couldn’t use his left arm for almost 2 months... I guess it’s time to get over it...

We're not even allowed into facilities without flu shot tag on ID.

Wow! That’s hardcore! Which facility are you at, if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[solarz]

@solarz
now that didn't take long did it?
People's daily: 106 deaths, 4193 infections, 58 recoveries.
when the death count reaches one thousand come back to me here again & link me that video of Dr. Whatever.

Yes, death to confirmed infection rate is still hovering around 2-3%, as it has from the start.

In fact, that rate is about the only stable thing so far. It means that this virus is far less lethal than SARS, and SARS itself was not that lethal to begin with.

On another note, the PLA has relieved the health workers at Wuhan hospitals and officially taken charge of operations. The authorities are also starting to crack down on online rumors.

 

[shanlung]

Unvetted.
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Putting things in perspective



CHINA’S HANDLING OF THE
NOVELLE CORONA VIRUS INFECTION

Below are comments from Robin Daverman , a American Doctor, expressed in Quora.

Dude, the Chinese government has been exceptionally good in dealing with this virus. You can NOT deliver what the Chinese government has delivered so far, unless you are the mythical Santa Claus.

During the Western African Ebola virus epidemic in 2014, the CDC rushed in to try to find the virus. It took them 2 months from getting the 1st patient sample to identifying the complete genomic sequence, and then another 6 weeks to publish it. This is Top Urgency, with a virus that has a 90% case fatality rate.

The 2009 Swine Flu in the US, which ended up infecting 55 million Americans and killed 11,000 of them, the first cases started to appear in late March, the CDC identified it on April 17, and the identification kits were not generally available until mid-May. And that was 250 people working 100+ hour a week!

2009 flu pandemic in the United States

And this is the CDC, the best infectious disease research agency in the world, with $11 billion a year budget and 11,000 employees!

This Coronavirus in China? From 1st patient sample to complete viral identification and sequencing, 1 week. Immediate publication / deposit in the genomics library for all people in the world. Then based on this sequence, the Chinese biotech companies jumped in and produced validated assays within a week. This is also unprecedented. The scientists working in this field are all going “who the f*ck are these guys and how did they do it” right now!

The first patient in Wuhan was admitted in mid-December. Subsequent genomic analyses on gene variants all point to mid-December, single-source mutation, which means that China’s public health surveillance is very good, and it most likely caught the very first patient. This is impressive. FYI we still don’t have the first patient of Ebola or the Swine Flu but we have best guesses in both cases.

By now, the Chinese government has wired $130 million to the city of Wuhan, hundreds of medical teams, thousands of doctors and nurses with top-notch infectious disease experts are rushing over there, 30 million people locked down in city-wide quarantine. Not to mention they are building a hospital dedicated to treating this single virus. What have you offered? More money, better medical service, or superior scientific expertise? Show us then.

People who have fallen in the river tend to know the difference between those who jump in, swim hard towards them and try to pull them u
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Even WHO endorses China's handling of Wuhan .

 

[ougoah]

Unvetted.
For all it is worth.
Copied here from my WhatsApp.
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Putting things in perspective



CHINA’S HANDLING OF THE
NOVELLE CORONA VIRUS INFECTION

Below are comments from Robin Daverman , a American Doctor, expressed in Quora.

Dude, the Chinese government has been exceptionally good in dealing with this virus. You can NOT deliver what the Chinese government has delivered so far, unless you are the mythical Santa Claus.

During the Western African Ebola virus epidemic in 2014, the CDC rushed in to try to find the virus. It took them 2 months from getting the 1st patient sample to identifying the complete genomic sequence, and then another 6 weeks to publish it. This is Top Urgency, with a virus that has a 90% case fatality rate.

The 2009 Swine Flu in the US, which ended up infecting 55 million Americans and killed 11,000 of them, the first cases started to appear in late March, the CDC identified it on April 17, and the identification kits were not generally available until mid-May. And that was 250 people working 100+ hour a week!

2009 flu pandemic in the United States

And this is the CDC, the best infectious disease research agency in the world, with $11 billion a year budget and 11,000 employees!

This Coronavirus in China? From 1st patient sample to complete viral identification and sequencing, 1 week. Immediate publication / deposit in the genomics library for all people in the world. Then based on this sequence, the Chinese biotech companies jumped in and produced validated assays within a week. This is also unprecedented. The scientists working in this field are all going “who the f*ck are these guys and how did they do it” right now!

The first patient in Wuhan was admitted in mid-December. Subsequent genomic analyses on gene variants all point to mid-December, single-source mutation, which means that China’s public health surveillance is very good, and it most likely caught the very first patient. This is impressive. FYI we still don’t have the first patient of Ebola or the Swine Flu but we have best guesses in both cases.

By now, the Chinese government has wired $130 million to the city of Wuhan, hundreds of medical teams, thousands of doctors and nurses with top-notch infectious disease experts are rushing over there, 30 million people locked down in city-wide quarantine. Not to mention they are building a hospital dedicated to treating this single virus. What have you offered? More money, better medical service, or superior scientific expertise? Show us then.

People who have fallen in the river tend to know the difference between those who jump in, swim hard towards them and try to pull them u
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Even WHO endorses China's handling of Wuhan .

Can you link us please. I'd like to read the other content.

Dont worry googled it... Here it is for anyone curious

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Another interesting Quora with reasonable responses.

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[shanlung]

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People who have fallen in the river tend to know the difference between those who jump in, swim hard towards them and try to pull them up, and those who stay on shore, hoping to see them die to make a point…

 

[shanlung]

Can you link us please. I'd like to read the other content.

Dont worry googled it... Here it is for anyone curious

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Another interesting Quora with reasonable responses.

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That came to me through my WhatsApp.
Perhaps passed on several times .
And saw you found that thread already

But here is a good link in Quora called Corona Virus Watch, very similar to this thread

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