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luminary

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What's going on? Healthy athletes, some still young, are dying from cardiac arrest every other day. The host has been suspecting something but he won't say it out on Youtube for obvious reasons.

I think it is effects after covid, although athletes dying suddenly due to cardiac arrest is relatively common before covid too.
Not at this rate. The host has been reporting sports news for years. He said he has never seen so many succession of sudden deaths in such a short period of time. Furthermore, the covid variants, like the Omicron, for the past one and a half years or so only affect the upper respiratory tract and don't affect the lung and heart at all.

Finally, we have some scientific data on this now instead of just anecdotal stories. The number of heart attack deaths in young people (ages 25-44) is up 30% in the US.
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The article doesn't have data specific to athletes, but the one case they do mention is regarding an athlete.
When Demi Washington, a basketball player at Vanderbilt University came down with COVID-19 in late 2020, her symptoms were mild, just a runny nose.
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Following the infection, the now college senior had developed
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— when the heart muscle becomes inflamed, which can decrease the heart's ability to pump blood. The condition can lead to stroke or heart attack,
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Washington said her doctor felt confident her condition was due to the coronavirus, as he'd seen something similar other college athletes.

Of course, we already know the Pfizer and Moderna MRNA vaccines can cause myocarditis in young people, even though the vaccines are still less risky than COVID itself.
Research shows that you're 11 times more likely to develop myocarditis from COVID itself versus the vaccine

I don't recall seeing any evidence of increased risk of myocarditis linked to China's inactivated vaccines. If there were even any tenuous hint of evidence, I'm sure it would have been plastered all over Western MSM already. So the Chinese inactivated vaccines may very well have the best risk-benefit tradeoffs of all COVID vaccines.
 

Michaelsinodef

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I don't recall seeing any evidence of increased risk of myocarditis linked to China's inactivated vaccines. If there were even any tenuous hint of evidence, I'm sure it would have been plastered all over Western MSM already. So the Chinese inactivated vaccines may very well have the best risk-benefit tradeoffs of all COVID vaccines.
I mean, aren't the Chinese vaccines the 'old/standard' vaccines that are more understood and well researched in general?

Or like, less unknown risks in comparison to MRNA, which is still much newer and so can have a lot of unknown risks.
 

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I mean, aren't the Chinese vaccines the 'old/standard' vaccines that are more understood and well researched in general?

Or like, less unknown risks in comparison to MRNA, which is still much newer and so can have a lot of unknown risks.
All vaccines for covid are new research. But China had the unique opportunity to compare, pick and choose between which type it wanted domestically.

China also produces much of all Asia's reserve of mRNA covid vaccines through Fosun, but has never approved it for use at home.

I can't exactly say how government experts made the decision, I'd have to read their papers and probably even some papers that wouldn't be publicly accessible to say why they chose inactivated, but a big reason might be that all currently theorized mRNA vaccines can only utilize, create immunity against the spike protein, which is the most mutatable part of the virus. Whereas an inactivated vaccine can provide better overall immunity even when mutations are accounted for.

The pattern we have seen so far is that mRNA can reach similar levels of protection on paper as inactivated when it comes to a single variant, and mRNA can be rolled out faster. However, when huge waves cause mutation and multiple different variants in a single outbreak, the protective power of mRNA against symptoms takes a severe nosedive. Whereas inactivated really does greatly reduce mortality into nearly nothing, despite mutations.

The "miracle" of the opening outbreak causing much fewer deaths or severe sickness in China relative to almost any other country cannot be attributed to superiority in healthcare treatment alone, because at least on paper, China does not have too amazing healthcare coverage. Then, the only explanation is that it was caused by a much more effective vaccine.

That also explains the dogged determination with which China rejected recognization of mRNA covid vaccines. Had a portion of China used less effective vaccines, it would have caused major deaths during the eventual opening.
 

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According to China CDC, 83150 Covid patients died in hospitals between Dec 8, 2022 and Feb 9, 2023.

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人民日报健康客户端记者据中国疾病预防控制中心数据统计,2022年12月8日至2023年2月9日,31个省(自治区、直辖市)和新疆生产建设兵团医疗机构累计在院新冠病毒感染相关死亡病例83150例。

其中,新冠病毒感染导致呼吸功能衰竭死亡6631例,占比约7.97%;基础疾病合并新冠病毒感染导致病情加重死亡76519例,占比约92.02%。

2022年12月9日至2023年2月6日,在院新冠病毒感染死亡病例数于2023年1月4日达到每日峰值4273例,随后持续下降,2月6日下降至102例,较峰值下降97.6%

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A recombinant protein boost vaccine has been launched in China.
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WHO cancelled the second phase of investigation for the origin of COVID-19.
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The study has indeed stalled ever since America refused to let anyone contact trace to them, especially the US citizens treated in a Chinese hospital for suspected Pneumonia that were in a hotel next door to a night market where bustling amounts of elderly risk groups would have been convening in unsafe distances.

Under such conditions, no small wonder that China has now no choice but to switch focus into treatment research instead of continued origin research.

Imagine if you were in a department in the hospital, some of your patients become infected after lying in the same room as some temporary transfers from another department, but when you try to run back to the other department, they say they cannot let you run tests on them for "security reasons". Okay then.

No point in seriously trying to continue the tracing, just focus on helping the sick on your own side. The medical community did the right choice here.
 
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