Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[AndrewS]

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The original source that backs @Nutrient's claim.

BTW you should stay calm, don't let your excitment undermine your credibility.

@Nutrient

I'm having a look at the paper and the graphics in particular.

Claim 1. The virus came from the US because only the USA has 5 strains
We know the first identified case was in Wuhan in early December.

The 13 samples in the USA were taken after 22 January, which means the virus was circulating for almost 2months in Wuhan, before the lockdown.

Conclusion: So those 13 samples of 5 different groups in the USA could all have originated elsewhere.

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Claim 2. The virus started in the Wuhan Seafood market
The Group C virus is what has caused a serious outbreak in Hubei.

But H15 and H13 (in Group A) are likely the ancestral haplotypes via H3 (in Group B)
So Group A mutated into Group B.
Then Group B mutated into Group C
And it is Group C which is the virulent strain we see today in Wuhan, Korea, Italy, Iran etc.

But inside China, Group A was barely found in Hubei. In fact, it only turns up in larger numbers in Guangdong when they start testing around January 10th.

We also see a case in Group B appear in Wuhan around January 4th, but with no connection to the seafood market.

Conclusion:
COVID-19 likely didn't originate from the Wuhan Seafood Market.

The original source was probably elsewhere, and that the virus has already been circulating for sometime, before it mutated from Group A to Group B. Then finally into Group C in Wuhan.

My suspicion falls onto the wet markets in the Guangdong area (or possibly Hong Kong) which tested for a significant number of the ancestor Group A virus early on (around Jan 10th), once they actually started looking for a new virus.

But we'll know for sure once more samples are available.

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[Deino]

Guys ... you all know the rules and therefore final warning:

Stop posting conspiration theories and unsubstantiated rumours ... otherwise I'll close this thread, clean up and the one who cannot follow the rule can take one week break!

It's enough.

 

[Dolcevita]

Fair enough. I've wanted to refresh my memory anyhow, so here it is:

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(This link was posted earlier but I forget by whom.)

According to the article, "The man in the video is a top virologist and pharmacologist".

Bottom line is there is no SCIENTIFIC evidence identifying where the COVID-19 originated despite all the unsubstantiated rumours peddled by western MSM and Pompeo. Yes. It was discovered in Wuhan but that is all we know.

 

[shanlung]

Well, we can see how vaping is replacing smoking in many places.

So smokers still get to feed their nicotine addiction.
But other people and the smokers themselves don't get the nasty by-products of burning tobacco.

So I see righteous extremism not a property of Nazi or ISIS or right or left wingers or with vegans.
So non smokers can declare jihad on smokers.
Gather up kaboom vests maybe to wear into smoking room and/or with AKs blazing away.

One sure way to get rid of smokers and evil tobacco
The end justify the means.

 

[shanlung]

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[Dolcevita]

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There is still hope. Some presidents thrive in chaos.

 

[AndrewS]

So I see righteous extremism not a property of Nazi or ISIS or right or left wingers or with vegans.
So non smokers can declare jihad on smokers.
Gather up kaboom vests maybe to wear into smoking room and/or with AKs blazing away.

One sure way to get rid of smokers and evil tobacco
The end justify the means.

Smoking is a huge public health issue. That is obvious.
And it is also obvious that non-smokers shouldn't have to breathe in smoke from someone else's choice.

Hence there should be a public health campaign against lighting up cigarettes, in favour of vaping, which is a lot less harmful.
I don't see any need for a Jihad comparison.

Back on topic now.

 

[Rettam Stacf]

US doing what they accused China of doing.

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Telling people what to do is easy. Doing it right for your own people is a lot more difficult.

 

[shanlung]

Smoking is a huge public health issue. That is obvious.
And it is also obvious that non-smokers shouldn't have to breathe in smoke from someone else's choice.

Hence there should be a public health campaign against lighting up cigarettes, in favour of vaping, which is a lot less harmful.
I don't see any need for a Jihad comparison.

Back on topic now.

I seen enough of non smokers walking towards me when I was having a cigarrette 10 meters downwind of them.
They got a earful from me before I send them packing away from me.

Another case in Taipei I was in a smoking area sitting at a table with ashtrays on it and a nun came and sat at that table when two other empty tables 5 meters away were available. She did not say anything. But started to fan away at her face with her fingers making choking sounds.

I asked her in Chinese what was she trying to proof? Her holiness or how righteous she was going to force her way down my throat?
Chinese had no colorful languages. I went into my cantonese speaking mode and fujian speaking mode which is so much richer than English in colorful language at top of my voice at her hypocrititcal obnoxious behaviour.

Everyone at my table laughed and laughed at her until she quietly left. I made a strong complain about her to the hotel we were staying in and the management told her off and told her to go sit at other tables and never to make a nuisance of herself again.

So is intruding your obnoxious attitude obviously into faces of those that care to smoke just because you do not care for smoking.
That make it right for you to put yourself on some self made pedestal to rant righteously your beliefs?

Go think again!
I believe you are totally out of topic in this thread.

Why not you go start a thread on smoking and evilness of smoking and you can write all you want there!

 

[AndrewS]

Just noticed this

A city in Hubei, China, is giving residents $1,400 if they report their coronavirus symptoms to doctors and then test positive

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A city in China's Hubei province, the epicenter of the novel coronavirus outbreak, is awarding residents 10,000 yuan ($1,426) if they report any symptoms, and later test positive.

The Coronavirus Epidemic Prevention and Control Headquarters of Qianjiang city announced the new incentive on Thursday, and said the reward is valid until March 2.

If authorities aren't totally sure the person reporting their symptoms is free of the virus, they will be given 1,000 yuan ($143) and allowed to go home, the statement said.

If the person is "suspected" of having the virus, they will be awarded 2,000 yuan ($285).