Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[pandamonium]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596398785785368577

Nothing to do with covid, parked cars blocking as usual. NED spreads lies like these to start color revolutions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596625304902336512

i see. thanks for the links.

also for the second video, did anyone notice some western looking people in the crowd or is it just me? saw this vid popping up on another server but didn't realize it was in shanghai and just a stone's throw away from the American embassy.

IMO the most dangerous threat facing china is not Americans, but the white-washed people living in places like shanghai which is rampant with western influence. I wonder how the party would respond to this.

 

[zbb]

i saw the video on weibo which is why i came here to ask. i dont believe it fully as when i searched it up alot of anti china instagram accounts were spamming it. thats why i decided to ask since forum members here have more information regarding the situation.

If you understand Chinese, here's a good video debunking the Urumqi fire's connection to COVID controls.

 

[Quan8410]

Why would you think China would need to wait for 5 to 10 years before reopening. It is unreasonable and not doable. Beside, CPC never said that it would maintain zero covid for that long.

More over, Shanghai and many other provinces and cities within China have the same policies of extending free PCR every few months so these kinds of announcements have been around for sometime and not unexpected or unusual.

At the moment, the Chinese government is moving slowly for reopening rather than continue the strict zero covid policies. If it wanted to maintain zero covid, then it would need to impose more restrict quarantine arrangement rather than relaxing it. It would also need to do another round of nationwide soft lockdown in order to rein in this wave of covid.

I do support zero covid but don't foresee the Chinese government to continue zero covid for long as the costs have become much more unbearable. CPC probably is trying to minimize deaths and hospitalizations by slowly moving away from restrict zero covid policies and buying time for better medicines to become available for critical patients.

Why I say 5-10 years. It's because clearly elderly people will refuse booster no matter how good and safe the newer vaccine is. As long as these people refuse, China has no way out but hold on to zero covid as long as possible until they all die of old age. 20% of population is above 60 and these people take most risk from covid but also the most anti-booster.

 

[henrik]

Hong Kong study has already concluded that 3 doses of inactivated vaccines have similar effectiveness against covid compare with mRNA. Any extra vaccines or mix and match don't add that much benefits. A boost shot would give a few months extra protection but otherwise boost shots don't offer much benefits.

It is likely that the Chinese government would offer a boost shot soon but in the end of the day a boost shot would only offer help in short term. As I said before, the Chinese government wouldn't reopen until late Spring or early Summer due to the fact that the virus would spread more rapidly during the winter months.

Why would they reopen next spring according to their weird reasoning? covid is not going anyway. What excuse will they give for reopening spring 2023, but not spring 2022 or 2026? It does not look like they will administer local mRNA vaccine to most people before next spring.

 

[MortyandRick]

Why would they reopen next spring according to their weird reasoning? covid is not going anyway. What excuse will they give for reopening spring 2023, but not spring 2022 or 2026? It does not look like they will administer local mRNA vaccine to most people before next spring.

Seriously what is with your obsession with mRNA vaccines? Have you seen the lastest research on the bivalent vaccine by Pfizer and moderna? Do you even have a medial background or do you get most of your info from dr. YouTube? Let me summarize it for you, the results weren't good.

Theres lots of reasons if they want to open up in the spring. Viral lethality is less, more high acuity beds per population, better understanding of disease progression etc. Theres a whole list they could use if they wanted to. So you're really missing the forest for the trees.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Since they want it so bad, I suggest Shanghai should be used as a petri dish in reopening at this rate. Shanghai is declared a COVID control free zone, but they become passport controlled to the rest of China. All Shanghai plate cars are subject to quarantine, domestic travel (but not international travel) to and from Shanghai is temporarily permit controlled like Hong Kong with quarantine rules for Shanghai to elsewhere but not elsewhere to Shanghai. Let's see what happens.

 

[Quan8410]

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Since they want it so bad, I suggest Shanghai should be used as a petri dish in reopening at this rate. Shanghai is declared a COVID control free zone, but they become passport controlled to the rest of China. All Shanghai plate cars are subject to quarantine, domestic travel (but not international travel) to and from Shanghai is temporarily permit controlled like Hong Kong with quarantine rules for Shanghai to elsewhere but not elsewhere to Shanghai. Let's see what happens.

That will isolate Shanghai further away from the rest of China and will make it harder for other medicine workers to access Shanghai in cases Covid go uncontrolled and destroyed the city. There should be no experiment regarding this situation, as it can lead to instablity both mecidically and politically.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

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That will isolate Shanghai further away from the rest of China and will make it harder for other medicine workers to access Shanghai in cases Covid go uncontrolled and destroyed the city. There should be no experiment regarding this situation, as it can lead to instablity both mecidically and politically.

that's the whole damn point, when you find a cancer in medicine you isolate the tumor, experiment with different therapy approaches, then when an optimal path is found, apply decisive action. there is a sickness in Shanghai and I'm not talking COVID.

 

[Quan8410]

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that's the whole damn point, when you find a cancer in medicine you isolate the tumor, experiment with different therapy approaches, then when an optimal path is found, apply decisive action. there is a sickness in Shanghai and I'm not talking COVID.

I thought Shanghai did exactly that during the last summer when they refuse lockdown in the first place. If Shanghai did it again then disaster will occur again, except this time will be more disastrous given winter is coming and the booster shot rate among elderly is still abysmall.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

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I thought Shanghai did exactly that during the last summer when they refuse lockdown in the first place. If Shanghai did it again then disaster will occur again, except this time will be more disastrous given winter is coming and the booster shot rate among elderly is still abysmall.

then shit happens and it's a negative example for the rest of the country.