Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

LawLeadsToPeace

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chinese economy is in deflation, congress party is over, major focus on the economy is back on the menu
It’s hard to say. Most of the measures that are curbed are more or less targeted towards travelers and any of their associates. Yes, the Chinese emphasized the economic aspect as well. However, given how strict they are in regards to Guangzhou and how they essentially let the Foxconn workers go awol, something tells me that the Chinese are figuring out where the local cases are actually coming from.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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A popular Indian celebrity died from an apparent heart attack while working out. The journalist on this show is somehow suggesting that perhaps one of the caused that led to the person's untimely demised is from the covid-19 vaccine. And there are a number of Indian celebrities that had suffered the same fate as this person.

If there's a link between covid-19 vaccines which are MrNa then why should China induced it's population with a vaccine that's found to have a potential linkage to a number of cardiac issues, some of whom have led to death unfortunately.

 

supercat

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That twitter was unaware that China just released 20 new measures, including:
- Vaccination campaigns to be accelerated, especially boosters for the elderly
- R&D to be accelerated on broadly-protective and multivalent COVID-19 vaccines

CanSino's inhaled vaccine is being rolled out across China.
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Some areas in China start to charge for COVID testing.
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Biscuits

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A popular Indian celebrity died from an apparent heart attack while working out. The journalist on this show is somehow suggesting that perhaps one of the caused that led to the person's untimely demised is from the covid-19 vaccine. And there are a number of Indian celebrities that had suffered the same fate as this person.

If there's a link between covid-19 vaccines which are MrNa then why should China induced it's population with a vaccine that's found to have a potential linkage to a number of cardiac issues, some of whom have led to death unfortunately.

Afaik only the moderna vaccine has higher than average side effects. With most vaccines, there is a 1 to 1000 or 1 to 10000 chance to get a serious side effect of some type.

The most likely reason that mRNA vaccines are not approved in China is low efficacy + requirement of many doses.

Chinese medical community wants to certify finished products, and looking at it objectively, a vaccine which takes 5 doses and still doesn't adequately (~90%+) stop symptoms is not a finished product.
 

henrik

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Afaik only the moderna vaccine has higher than average side effects. With most vaccines, there is a 1 to 1000 or 1 to 10000 chance to get a serious side effect of some type.

The most likely reason that mRNA vaccines are not approved in China is low efficacy + requirement of many doses.

Chinese medical community wants to certify finished products, and looking at it objectively, a vaccine which takes 5 doses and still doesn't adequately (~90%+) stop symptoms is not a finished product.

How many doses of traditional covid vaccines have you received?
 

Biscuits

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How many doses of traditional covid vaccines have you received?
I'm a youngish healthcare worker living for now in an EU country, they only have Pfizer and moderna here. Since ppl who are old are not recommended to get the latter, that's the only one we can get. 4 doses. Had symptomatic covid during summer even when I was on 3 doses.

Parents and grandparents on inactivated vaccine, 2 doses (I think?). Some of them also had sickness with symptoms, so it's not completely safe either.

Anecdotally, I think current generation covid vaccines don't really prevent omicron. I've yet to know anyone that took inhaled vaccine though.
 

supercat

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Pfizer and Moderna have started to study the adverse effects of their vaccines in teens and young adults.

The situation of vaccination in China: 60% of those over 80 years old has not received a boost shot, although more than 65% has received 2 shots. Hopefully CanSino's inhaled booster can help. Judging by China's vaccination status, I don't think the zero COVID policies can be drastically changed within the next 6 months.

Health official says vaccination plan well underway​

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As of Friday, 3.44 billion doses had been administered on the Chinese mainland, covering 1.34 billion people, Chang said, adding among them, 1.27 billion were fully vaccinated.

About 239 million people over 60 years old were vaccinated, with 228 million people receiving a full course of shots and 180 million people with booster shots.

However, for those over 80 years old, 65.7 percent are fully vaccinated, and only 40 percent of them have booster shots, he said.
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I hope such policy change will prevent another incident of "climbing fence and walking home" like that occurred with Foxconn employees.

Transport official expressly forbids arbitrary logistical controls​

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I'm a youngish healthcare worker living for now in an EU country, they only have Pfizer and moderna here. Since ppl who are old are not recommended to get the latter, that's the only one we can get. 4 doses. Had symptomatic covid during summer even when I was on 3 doses.

Parents and grandparents on inactivated vaccine, 2 doses (I think?). Some of them also had sickness with symptoms, so it's not completely safe either.

Anecdotally, I think current generation covid vaccines don't really prevent omicron. I've yet to know anyone that took inhaled vaccine though.

Probably should advise your elders to get at least one booster shot if they were on inactivated vaccines. Sinovac and Sinopharm are really 3 shots vaccines if you look at the significant improvement in efficacies after the booster shot, I guess, more so than Pfizer/Moderna.





This study from Hong Kong University shows that Sinovac is slightly better at preventing death for 3 shots than Pfizer.

Edit: This is based on looking at the individual age group columns. The last column is not the average of the age group columns. It does not take into account that more people in the older age groups are taking Sinovac than Pfizer and vice versa for younger age groups, for example.


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FairAndUnbiased

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Terrible idea, China will have millions of dead in months.
depends, there is still border control with 8 days total quarantine for inbounds which are the primary spread vector. people should still continue to wear masks. Mask wearing and proper social distancing with vaccines still work. I've never been infected and I have never worked from home even a single day, since I apparently work in a 'critical industry'. I eat lunch at my office desk while my coworkers go to restaurant and don't wear masks, spewing spit on each other and sharing germs. I'm one of the few to remain COVID free.
 
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