Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

supercat

Major
Newly built 14,000-bed isolation center, I guess it's just a matter of time before some Western commentators compare it to concentration camps.
Arrived like clockwork:


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None of us know—that’s the challenge right now,” he said. “We just have to be very humble and say we don’t know what the next shoe to drop is.”

It’s also possible that “we begin to see what I call a ‘soft landing,’” a gradual lowering in the number of cases, he added.

Osterholm sees no evidence, however, that COVID is turning into a seasonal virus like the flu and that one vaccine a year will suffice, like some White House officials recently suggested.

The virus, he says, is a “three act play.”

“I think we’re only in the second act,” he said. “That’s the problem.”
Based on the unpublished test results from only 8 mice? Well, winter is coming - such hasty in releasing new boosters implies certain urgency.

FDA, CDC Urge All Adults to Get 5th COVID Shot Despite No Safety or Efficacy Data​

The emergency authorizations of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s bivalent COVID-19 boosters are based on preliminary test results from only eight mice, and that data hasn’t even been made public.
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An Argentinian pharmaceutical company will produce and market several Chinese vaccines, including a COVID-19 vaccine, for the Latin America market.
 

KYli

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本土病例373例 new symptomatic cases (Inner Mongolia 内蒙古119例 and Xinjiang 新疆70例 and Guangdong 广东31例 and Sichuan 四川18例 and Shanxi 山西25例 and Chongqing 重庆10例 and Shaanxi 陕西9例 and Yunnan 云南28例 and Tibet 西藏5例)

本土1566例 new asymptomatic cases (Inner Mongolia 内蒙古559例 and Xinjiang 新疆376例 and Hubei 湖北48例 and Gansu 甘肃68例 and Sichuan 四川76例 and Shaanxi 陕西17例 and Ningxia 宁夏49例 and Shanxi 山西14例 and Guangdong 广东24例 and Chongqing 重庆17例 and Yunnan 云南49例 and Tibet 西藏23例 and Henan 河南45例 and Guizhou 贵州8例)
 

KYli

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The mystery of preeclampsia cases like that of Phillips is part of the growing pool of information scientists are sorting through when it comes to the impact of the coronavirus on reproductive health, from a woman's menstrual cycle and fertility down to possible effects on a baby's development.

Ilhem Messaoudi, a professor of immunology at the University of Kentucky, said she and many of her colleagues have been taken aback by the extent to which pregnancy has been affected by the pandemic. Like many researchers, she had initially thought of covid-19, the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, as a respiratory illness and did not expect it to impact reproductive organs.

Instead, she and other pregnancy experts have spent the past few years scrambling to understand spikes in maternal complications - first reported anecdotally then verified in several large studies - including an extremely small but nonetheless alarming group of unusual stillbirths. "I was naive," Messaoudi reflected. "Now I wonder, 'What else have we been missing?'"
 

SanWenYu

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On Oct 11, the People's Daily had an opinion piece with the title "The 'dynamic zero-covid' policy is sustainable and must be carried on". It is written by someone with the pen name "Zhongyin (仲音)". Such pen names usually suggest the person behind the handle carries some weight. This piece does not offer anything new except repeating the same arguments for the dynamic zero-covid policy. It probably means that China will not change course on covid even after the 20th party congress.

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人民日报:“动态清零”可持续而且必须坚持​

10月11日,《人民日报》第02版刊发署名仲音的评论员文章《“动态清零”可持续而且必须坚持》。全文如下:

国家卫生健康委员会10月10日通报,9日,31个省(区、市)和新疆生产建设兵团报告新增新冠肺炎确诊病例434例,其中本土病例373例。当前,全国疫情仍然呈现出“点多、面广”的特点,国内还有一批中高风险区,防控任务艰巨繁重。越是这样的时候,越要深刻认识到“动态清零”可持续而且必须坚持,继续科学精准抓好疫情防控工作。

疫情是一场大考。疫情防得住,经济才能稳得住,人民生活才能平平安安,经济社会发展才能平稳健康。必须清醒看到,我国是一个有着14亿多人口的大国,加上地区发展不平衡,医疗资源总量不足,放松防控势必令易感人群感染风险加大,一旦形成规模性反弹,疫情蔓延势必会对经济社会发展造成严重冲击,最终付出的代价会更高,损失会更大。

坚持动态清零,较好地平衡了疫情防控和经济社会发展之间的关系,能够让我们用最小的代价实现最大的防控效果,最大限度减少疫情对经济社会发展的影响。从实践来看,正是因为坚持动态清零,我们才保证了极低的发病率、死亡率和住院率,以及社会、经济的平稳运行。如果算总账,我们的防疫措施是最经济的、效果最好的。实践充分证明,我国疫情防控有良好的成本效益比,动态清零是综合社会成本最低的抗疫策略,是现阶段我国及时控制疫情的最佳选择。

衡量一种病毒是否严重,将传播率和致病率两者相乘,是一个重要指标。奥密克戎的传播力远大于流感和此前的新冠病毒毒株,且部分奥密克戎变异株亚分支的免疫逃逸能力出现明显增强,对老年人和基础病人群仍具较大威胁。我国60岁及以上人口达2.67亿,老年人群体数量多,如果选择“躺平”,疫情蔓延开来势必造成人民生命、财产更严重损失,其所带来的公共卫生风险难以估量。坚持动态清零,就是对人民至上、生命至上理念的最好践行,也是巩固我国来之不易防控成果的最佳选择。

应该看到,动态清零并不是追求完全零感染,而是发现一起、扑灭一起,既不让新冠病毒在疫情发生地流行,也防止病毒传播扩散到其他区域。这意味着,一方面我们不能放松防控,搞“一放了之”;另一方面我们也要警惕过度防疫,坚决防止简单化、“一刀切”和层层加码等现象。坚持动态清零,必须不断提高科学防控、精准防控水平。在疫情防控过程中,有的地方优化布局核酸采样点,设立电子地图,让群众方便查询和就近采样;有的地方根据流调结果,科学划定中高风险地区和管控风险人群;有的地方建立“1+N”群众诉求排忧解难平台专班工作机制,第一时间回应解决群众诉求……各地实践启示我们,提高疫情防控的科学性、精准性,防控工作才是真正有力度,也才会更有成效。

与疫情作斗争,是物质的角力,也是精神的对垒;是实力的较量,也是意志的比拼。当前,全球疫情仍起伏反复,我国外防输入压力不断增大。毫不动摇坚持“外防输入、内防反弹”总策略和“动态清零”总方针,因时因地因势不断优化防控政策措施,高效统筹疫情防控和经济社会发展,这既是秉承科学精神、科学态度的基本要求,也是遵循科学规律、保障人民根本利益的必然选择。
 

Quickie

Colonel
We will probably find the truth in a few years.

It is something of a national pastime of America's to find excuses and throw their immense state affiliated press to deny the origins of new deadly diseases coming in from them. Starting all the way from the American ""Spanish"" flu, to H1N1 which we are helpfully reminded to never call American flu, but "Swine" flu.

The undeniable facts are that US had by far the most cases in the early pandemic, US has sealed access for international inspectors tracing COVID19 and in Wuhan December 2019, when Chinese scientists became the first to sequence the virus after the first catalogued super spreader event, multiple US soldiers were treated for unknown pneumonia.

Of course, it is also a fact that COVID19 has not been found earliest in US, with the first samples being only found in Italy and Spain. However, US had banned investigation into groundwater testing during the crucial time period, so we cannot say that there would have been no findings either.

I don't believe COVID19 was a man made virus, because the scientific community could identify large genome changes.

However I do think the presence of sick US during the world military games was no coincidence. They were doing the time honored mongol tradition of throwing their own plague infested bodies into enemy cities.

"However I do think the presence of sick US during the world military games was no coincidence. They were doing the time honored mongol tradition of throwing their own plague infested bodies into enemy cities."

Wow... Since this is outright a crazy thing to do, there is no stopping them from doing it all the way like choosing the most contagious and virulent of the virus variant.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Calm down. This is propaganda or as usual, people that know nothing telling a story. Besides that it is common that police in europe and asia in high value targets patrol with submachine guns, PAP patrol squads usually have at least 1 guy that carries an assault type rifle . Also , it doesn't even look like there is a clip in the gun

The news article is really one example of a propaganda masterpiece.

The impression to most people taking a peep at the news is probably like "look, those covid handling task groups in China are carrying automatic weapons besides doing the swap tests". It does help also that the PAP/Police Squad is unrecognizable with the protective overalls who otherwise would be immediately recognized as just the police doing their job.
 

SanWenYu

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According to NHC, all the provincial regions in mainland, except Jiangxi, reported confirmed and/or asymptomatic cases on Oct 10. Tough time.

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据国家卫健委网站消息,10月10日0—24时,31个省(自治区、直辖市)和新疆生产建设兵团报告新增确诊病例491例。其中境外输入病例64例(广东27例,福建15例,江苏5例,北京3例,云南3例,天津2例,内蒙古2例,上海2例,山东2例,四川2例,浙江1例),含14例由无症状感染者转为确诊病例(广东6例,江苏3例,山东2例,四川2例,浙江1例);本土病例427例(内蒙古145例,新疆82例,广东38例,重庆26例,四川18例,山西16例,北京13例,河南12例,辽宁11例,云南11例,宁夏10例,陕西9例,浙江7例,福建6例,湖南5例,上海4例,江苏4例,西藏4例,广西3例,安徽1例,山东1例,贵州1例),含100例由无症状感染者转为确诊病例(内蒙古47例,广东10例,四川7例,河南6例,浙江5例,重庆5例,辽宁4例,福建4例,新疆4例,湖南3例,江苏2例,广西1例,云南1例,宁夏1例)。无新增死亡病例。无新增疑似病例。

31个省(自治区、直辖市)和新疆生产建设兵团报告新增无症状感染者1758例,其中境外输入96例,本土1662例(内蒙古637例,新疆375例,四川177例,甘肃55例,宁夏39例,云南37例,湖北29例,河南26例,广东25例,上海24例,重庆24例,江苏23例,山西21例,西藏21例,安徽20例,河北18例,辽宁18例,山东17例,湖南16例,陕西15例,吉林14例,天津7例,黑龙江6例,浙江6例,贵州6例,广西3例,福建2例,北京1例)。
 

Biscuits

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On Oct 11, the People's Daily had an opinion piece with the title "The 'dynamic zero-covid' policy is sustainable and must be carried on". It is written by someone with the pen name "Zhongyin (仲音)". Such pen names usually suggest the person behind the handle carries some weight. This piece does not offer anything new except repeating the same arguments for the dynamic zero-covid policy. It probably means that China will not change course on covid even after the 20th party congress.

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人民日报:“动态清零”可持续而且必须坚持​

10月11日,《人民日报》第02版刊发署名仲音的评论员文章《“动态清零”可持续而且必须坚持》。全文如下:

国家卫生健康委员会10月10日通报,9日,31个省(区、市)和新疆生产建设兵团报告新增新冠肺炎确诊病例434例,其中本土病例373例。当前,全国疫情仍然呈现出“点多、面广”的特点,国内还有一批中高风险区,防控任务艰巨繁重。越是这样的时候,越要深刻认识到“动态清零”可持续而且必须坚持,继续科学精准抓好疫情防控工作。

疫情是一场大考。疫情防得住,经济才能稳得住,人民生活才能平平安安,经济社会发展才能平稳健康。必须清醒看到,我国是一个有着14亿多人口的大国,加上地区发展不平衡,医疗资源总量不足,放松防控势必令易感人群感染风险加大,一旦形成规模性反弹,疫情蔓延势必会对经济社会发展造成严重冲击,最终付出的代价会更高,损失会更大。

坚持动态清零,较好地平衡了疫情防控和经济社会发展之间的关系,能够让我们用最小的代价实现最大的防控效果,最大限度减少疫情对经济社会发展的影响。从实践来看,正是因为坚持动态清零,我们才保证了极低的发病率、死亡率和住院率,以及社会、经济的平稳运行。如果算总账,我们的防疫措施是最经济的、效果最好的。实践充分证明,我国疫情防控有良好的成本效益比,动态清零是综合社会成本最低的抗疫策略,是现阶段我国及时控制疫情的最佳选择。

衡量一种病毒是否严重,将传播率和致病率两者相乘,是一个重要指标。奥密克戎的传播力远大于流感和此前的新冠病毒毒株,且部分奥密克戎变异株亚分支的免疫逃逸能力出现明显增强,对老年人和基础病人群仍具较大威胁。我国60岁及以上人口达2.67亿,老年人群体数量多,如果选择“躺平”,疫情蔓延开来势必造成人民生命、财产更严重损失,其所带来的公共卫生风险难以估量。坚持动态清零,就是对人民至上、生命至上理念的最好践行,也是巩固我国来之不易防控成果的最佳选择。

应该看到,动态清零并不是追求完全零感染,而是发现一起、扑灭一起,既不让新冠病毒在疫情发生地流行,也防止病毒传播扩散到其他区域。这意味着,一方面我们不能放松防控,搞“一放了之”;另一方面我们也要警惕过度防疫,坚决防止简单化、“一刀切”和层层加码等现象。坚持动态清零,必须不断提高科学防控、精准防控水平。在疫情防控过程中,有的地方优化布局核酸采样点,设立电子地图,让群众方便查询和就近采样;有的地方根据流调结果,科学划定中高风险地区和管控风险人群;有的地方建立“1+N”群众诉求排忧解难平台专班工作机制,第一时间回应解决群众诉求……各地实践启示我们,提高疫情防控的科学性、精准性,防控工作才是真正有力度,也才会更有成效。

与疫情作斗争,是物质的角力,也是精神的对垒;是实力的较量,也是意志的比拼。当前,全球疫情仍起伏反复,我国外防输入压力不断增大。毫不动摇坚持“外防输入、内防反弹”总策略和“动态清零”总方针,因时因地因势不断优化防控政策措施,高效统筹疫情防控和经济社会发展,这既是秉承科学精神、科学态度的基本要求,也是遵循科学规律、保障人民根本利益的必然选择。
Winter isn't the time to end anyways, because the virus flares up during cold weather.

Several booster options are almost or already ready against omicron. By spring or summer, the population might be recently inoculated again and it is a good time to open up. Zero Covid is not only about saving lives, it also allows China to keep a more mobilized economy, encourage population to buy homemade and excuse to hit the west wherever a goods shortage show up.

Summer 2023 might also be the end of this round of dueling between East and West. Ideal time to open up, attract tourists, suck in wealth from what the EU lost and pick up as much petroyuan sales as possible. Redrawing the borders slowly but surely in the economic world.
 

JebKerman

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No wonder unemployment is low in the UK, 21% of workers are not working:

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Phead128

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Based on the unpublished test results from only 8 mice? Well, winter is coming - such hasty in releasing new boosters implies certain urgency.

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You don't need a new clinical trial for a change in variant. Just like seasonal influenza shots don't need a brand new clinical trial for every variant update either. There is no fundamental change in the technology, just a different spike protein is targeted. This is completely normal...
 
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