How many doses of what vaccines have you received?
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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It is a weird question and totally none of your business. However, I did post what I vaccinated with a year ago here in this thread.
TCM, proved effective against COVID-19, is recommended by WHO
Health 23:10, 05-Apr-2022
Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) is found to be effective against COVID-19 by experts from the World Health Organization (WHO), which recommended combining TCM with existing treatments in a report.
The report, published on WHO's website after an expert meeting to evaluate TCM's effectiveness in treating COVID-19, suggests TCM is a safe approach and can reduce the risk of progression from mild-moderate to severe cases.
The three-day meeting was held online, and 21 international experts participated. They reviewed the results of 12 randomized controlled trials related to the TCM treatment, and then wrote the report.
Further data shows TCM may shorten the time for viral clearance, and early application may result in better clinical outcomes. But evidence on the benefit for severe cases is limited and further evaluation is needed.
The report recommended TCM interventions to the COVID-19 control system of WHO members. China's way of combining TCM with modern medicine is also recommended.
April 5th
后续防疫重点是坚持精准防控、动态清零
接下来上海防疫的重点在哪？4月5日，张伯礼院士在接受人民日报健康客户端采访时表示，当前上海全市上下，全国上下都要统一思想、坚定信念，就是坚持精准防控、动态清零。
张伯礼表示，全国支持上海在尽量短的时间内控制疫情蔓延发展的趋势，尤其要克服“小号流感，防疫过度”“重症率、死亡率低，没有必要兴师动众”等错误认识，也要克服个别部门令行不止、自行其事的做法，坚决果断采取中央统一部署，加强一线指挥，齐心协力战胜这波疫情的反弹。
Zhang Boli is one of the receivers of the title "People's Hero" together with Zhong Nanshan for their contribution in the fight of Pendamic. What he said now is what the central government want to say. In the interview, he said,
The whole country supports Shanghai to supress the development of the outburst in Shanghai, especially (people) must reject the wrong idea that "omicron is a flu like, measures are over-reaction", "severe case is low, mortality is low, no need to act unpropotional". Some government agencies do NOT follow orders, do what they want." We must absolutely follow the plan by the central government......
Most of official criticisms during the past two years were about individual officials incompetence and neglect of duty, not something like this on organization (部门) level.
Mars 26th
An earlier report (Mars 26) on Wu Fan who is the member of the pandemic task-force of Shanghai, deputy head of Fudan University Hospital.
She said
我也看到网上有人建议，咱们就下定决心封上3、5天，封上一周不行吗？不行，为什么不行？因为上海我们这个城市承载了不仅仅是上海人民自己的上海，我们这个城市还承载了在全国经济社会发展当中承载发挥了重要的功能，甚至于对全球经济都有影响。
She refuted the suggestion of full lock-down of Shanghai for just 3, 5 days of a week by emphasizing economical impact of a lock-down.
Mars 28th
Shanghai was locked down. Immediately afterwards doctors and nurses and PLA from the whole country went in, a repetition of Wuhan except Wuhan wasn't prepared being the first.
From this time line of events, I think Shanghai's pandemic task-force had an approach different from the rest of the country. The leadership insisted on that approach until the last minute (Mars 26th) even a layman could see it is not working. Then the central government stepped in during that weekend and changed the course on 28th. About a week later the central government is still trying to keep people to walk in the same line.
There is room for local adaptation and experiment of how to handle pandemic. For that Shanghai leadership should not be blamed. Experiment may lead to unfortunate failures, for that Shanghai leadership should not be blamed. But when a layman can see the disaster coming, the leadership especially a high rank medical professional should have changed her mind instead of defending the failing policy. It is even worse that this medical professional made her decision/recommendation NOT based on medical terms but economical terms. That is not her business, nor should she have said so on behalf of the political leadership (the mayor or the party chief). For this reason, I think either Wu Fan or the party chief or both are responsible for what is happening.
后续防疫重点是坚持精准防控、动态清零
接下来上海防疫的重点在哪？4月5日，张伯礼院士在接受人民日报健康客户端采访时表示，当前上海全市上下，全国上下都要统一思想、坚定信念，就是坚持精准防控、动态清零。
张伯礼表示，全国支持上海在尽量短的时间内控制疫情蔓延发展的趋势，尤其要克服“小号流感，防疫过度”“重症率、死亡率低，没有必要兴师动众”等错误认识，也要克服个别部门令行不止、自行其事的做法，坚决果断采取中央统一部署，加强一线指挥，齐心协力战胜这波疫情的反弹。
Zhang Boli is one of the receivers of the title "People's Hero" together with Zhong Nanshan for their contribution in the fight of Pendamic. What he said now is what the central government want to say. In the interview, he said,
The whole country supports Shanghai to supress the development of the outburst in Shanghai, especially (people) must reject the wrong idea that "omicron is a flu like, measures are over-reaction", "severe case is low, mortality is low, no need to act unpropotional". Some government agencies do NOT follow orders, do what they want." We must absolutely follow the plan by the central government......
Most of official criticisms during the past two years were about individual officials incompetence and neglect of duty, not something like this on organization (部门) level.
Mars 26th
An earlier report (Mars 26) on Wu Fan who is the member of the pandemic task-force of Shanghai, deputy head of Fudan University Hospital.
She said
我也看到网上有人建议，咱们就下定决心封上3、5天，封上一周不行吗？不行，为什么不行？因为上海我们这个城市承载了不仅仅是上海人民自己的上海，我们这个城市还承载了在全国经济社会发展当中承载发挥了重要的功能，甚至于对全球经济都有影响。
She refuted the suggestion of full lock-down of Shanghai for just 3, 5 days of a week by emphasizing economical impact of a lock-down.
Mars 28th
Shanghai was locked down. Immediately afterwards doctors and nurses and PLA from the whole country went in, a repetition of Wuhan except Wuhan wasn't prepared being the first.
From this time line of events, I think Shanghai's pandemic task-force had an approach different from the rest of the country. The leadership insisted on that approach until the last minute (Mars 26th) even a layman could see it is not working. Then the central government stepped in during that weekend and changed the course on 28th. About a week later the central government is still trying to keep people to walk in the same line.
There is room for local adaptation and experiment of how to handle pandemic. For that Shanghai leadership should not be blamed. Experiment may lead to unfortunate failures, for that Shanghai leadership should not be blamed. But when a layman can see the disaster coming, the leadership especially a high rank medical professional should have changed her mind instead of defending the failing policy. It is even worse that this medical professional made her decision/recommendation NOT based on medical terms but economical terms. That is not her business, nor should she have said so on behalf of the political leadership (the mayor or the party chief). For this reason, I think either Wu Fan or the party chief or both are responsible for what is happening.
FriedRiceNSpice
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The zero-Covid policy was a great success against the initial virus. However, the new Omicron variant is an entirely different virus with different characteristics. A lockdown against the new variants is neither going to be as effective, nor would it be as beneficial. As Covid continues to evolve, China's Covid policy needs to evolve along with it and be based on scientific data. The government should be pragmatic and reassess their policies instead of blindly continuing forward trying to apply the same solutions against an entirely different problem.
You might want to read through the thread. We discussed this to death at this point and ultimately agreed on the following:
Covid isn’t going away. Eventually China has to get rid of lockdowns because the strain on the government and people’s mental state will just continuously increase. However, due to the concern of long Covid and national security, several things have to be accomplished:
1. mRNA vaccines must be developed domestically and deployed nation wide before Biontech or even Pfizer can dominate the market. We saw how nations that depend on other nations for vaccines end up getting the short end of the stick and beg the US for help.
2. Domestic drugs and monoclonal cocktails must be developed to quickly get rid of infection to lower the chances of long Covid and to give the more vaccine-hesitant people more choices to fight against Covid.
3. Long covid needs to be understood better to allow more precise treatment.
The Chinese government isn’t as stupid as the rest of the other governments in the world when it comes to Covid. I’m extremely confident that they are well aware that lockdowns aren’t the permanent solution.
I hate how this pandemic has made everyone like if they are part of some kind of death cult, is their duty to fight to the end to avoid unnecessary deaths doesn't matter how low those may be, if despite all the efforts the virus result to be uncontainable then changing tactics is acceptable, mandatory masks, vaccinations, better HVAC systems in workplaces, therapeutics, makeshift hospitals, UV light and so on, everything should be taken into account... but throwing the towel now???????????????
They can use Fosun's mRNA vaccines before local mRNA vaccines are available. They can just buy a certain amount of doses to prevent foreign vaccines from dominating the market.