Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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Colonel
The table is meaningless without the data of the percentage of people vaccinated respectively with each of the vaccines listed.
The very small death rate for Covishield is likely due to a very small percentage of the population vaccinated with the vaccine.
For example, the Covishield zero death rate for >50 years old can only be due to the Covishield vaccine not being administered on that >50 age group.
Another way of looking at it is if let's say 50% of the population was vaccinated with Sinopharm and 15% with Pfizer, the Sinopharm's efficacy rate in preventing death would still be better than Pfizer even with the death rate 0.46 against 0.15 since (50% / 15%) > (0.46 / 0.15).
This is why it's dangerous to rely on those usual propagandist MSMs to report on any kind of scientific data.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
When it comes to western MSM reporting on China, no news is good news.
If Chinese vaccines had seriously complications, even 1 in a billion ones, you can bet your bottom dollar every western MSM outlet would be prominently reporting about it.
Hell, just look at their covid reporting thus far on China, no rumour or Jai Hind lie is overlooked just so long as it isn’t so loony toons they couldn’t suspend disbelief enough to sell it. If there were serious side effects with Chinese vaccines, the western MSM would be all over it like flies on shit.
Covishield is actually AstraZeneca version of Indian made vaccine. It is my bad to confuse them with Covaxin. But my statement still stands, the sample size is very problematic for this study. MSM talking point now is all about effectivness of Chinese vaccines for people over 50 years old. Other attempts and talking points such as effectiveness against Delta, low antibodies count, waning effectiveness, and the need of booster shots have mostly been abandoned.
Israel has proven Pfizer vaccines wane to almost zero in preventing infections but still maintain good protection against deaths. Its booster shot is 86% effective. Not as good as before but should be able to keep the infections in check. The big test is UK. If the next 2-3 months, the UK could still keep its death average around 130 per day then we would see a lot of countries to open up such as Denmark.
Israel has proven Pfizer vaccines wane to almost zero in preventing infections but still maintain good protection against deaths. Its booster shot is 86% effective. Not as good as before but should be able to keep the infections in check. The big test is UK. If the next 2-3 months, the UK could still keep its death average around 130 per day then we would see a lot of countries to open up such as Denmark.
Yea, Pfizer has lower antibody specific response to Delta variant's mutate spikes, but Pfizer still retains a very strong T-Cell and B-cell response, so upon infection, you will fight back strong, and have less severe symptoms, hence lower hospitalization and death.
That means vaccines work. Just like influenza vaccine isn't suppose to eradicate the disease, but prevent you from severe illness and dying. Outside of short-term clinical trials for regulatory approval, efficacy against infection is meaningless. The real endpoint in real-world should be hospitalization and death prevention.
LOL. Yes CNN and Reuters will be looking for Cowdung to settle on.
Generally speaking Inactivated Vaccines like Sinovac are the safest.
It is a traditional vaccine making technology and has been proven over time. Uses whole inactivated Virus.
Same technology is used to make Flu Vaccines.
The countries using Sinovac have reported very few side effects and no deaths directly attributed to the vaccine.
SteelBird
Colonel
Diplomatic language, don't listen to him.
More like sheer stupidity. Would Mr. Blinken refrain from blaming China if the virus did in fact escape from the Wuhan lab like the Biden admin has been speculating?