Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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Man, you have been spewing this line like a broken sales man without fail. Do you own any stocks from any related bio medical companies procuring, producing mRNA vaccines or something. No offense but I have never once read anything from your fingers to be cautious of any new vaccine techs even regardless of the veracity of the studies and some questionable data that has actually put a dent into the mRNA efficacy. You just keep on trucking like an undeterred Christian missionaries. What gives? Pastor Tyler?
This is not a proof and I'll stop debating you as you sound like a Pfizer board member. All that claims without anything to back it up. And BTW, in case you didn't know, I did got Pfizer and after the first dose I got severe palpitations for around 3 weeks. I decided not to get the second one cause heart problem is not a joke.
So the real world data of Sinovac effectiveness agasint Delta is pretty good.
According to him, about 700,000 medics were mostly fully inoculated with Sinovac vaccine and only 880 were infected with Covid-19. And of these infections, seven have died -- five were not vaccinated, one was fully inoculated and the other had received just one dose of the vaccine.
Thailand has become proactive to cooperate with China over vaccines and clinical trials for future vaccines.
According to him, about 700,000 medics were mostly fully inoculated with Sinovac vaccine and only 880 were infected with Covid-19. And of these infections, seven have died -- five were not vaccinated, one was fully inoculated and the other had received just one dose of the vaccine.
Thailand has become proactive to cooperate with China over vaccines and clinical trials for future vaccines.
True in the short term. Like all liars, the US gets a temporary advantage but loses in the longer run. For example, while the "WMDs in Iraq" lie allowed the Americans to destroy Iraq, the long-term damage to US credibility has been severe.
Prolonged dishonesty has another, less obvious problem: once the liars have been allowed to pollute the public mind without being punished, what else will they lie about? Could they deceive the public on something truly important, like nuclear war? Of course they could. The US rulers must be conscious of this danger; I expect them to keep the liars on a leash.
So I am not too worried about the anti-China propaganda regarding Covid. It seems effective now, but it will be exposed, just as Iraq's nuke shortage has been exposed. And the US will be damaged far more than China.
One thing China must not do: follow @voyager1/Kaine's advice to answer the American lies with lies. This may benefit China in the short term but it would seriously damage China's long-term reputation.
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broadsword
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Why does it say five were not vaccinated when in the preceding sentence, it said 700,000 medics were mostly inoculated with the Sinovac vaccine?
AssassinsMace
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The media (Caixin, SCMP, and MSM) that you have quoted are just like parrots repeating what each other have just said whether it's lies, double-lies, or whatever.
I think that should mean a small percentage of the 700,000 were not vaccinated. Let's said 10% are not vaccinated or partly vaccinated. The vaccine efficacy fully vaccinated (in preventing death) would be (6/10% - 1/90%) / (6/10%) ==> 98%
Seemingly minor error, but I feel it pushes the “Beijing interference/influence” scenario
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I would like to agree with you. But history has been very kind to the US lying. The Iraq war one of the few exceptions because it was debunked relatively quickly. But there are other lies that took decades to debunk, or were never officially debunked. Such as:
1) Tiananmen square 'massacre'. The PLA tanks "crushed democracy protesters". Took more than 30 years to debunk. Till today, people still associate Chinese tanks with oppression.
2) Gulf of Tonkin incident. Only today are people questioning whether its a lie. Officially, its never debunked.
3) 2011 Libyan war. Gaddafi giving orders to soldiers to conduct genocide. Never officially debunked.
4) Osama bin Laden was America enemy #1. But never an American asset? Never officially debunked.
5) Moscow apartment bombing is an 'inside job'. Never questioned in the mainstream. Only the pro-Russian circles are questioning it.
All of the above examples have caused widespread death and destruction, or stigma (in the case of China and Russia) for many decades. But America never truly paid the price for these lies and atrocities.
So regarding the latest lie to frame China as the creater of the Covid-19 pandemic. Take the vaccine lies as an example. People in the mainstream of the free world still fell for it. The average Joe believed it because he doesn't have the time to research and question it. He just trusts MSM's words as he have for many years. The China-hater embraces it because this is what they wanna hear. So this Wuhan-lab BS is starting to take off and will go full mainstream if left unchallenged.
China is still receiving stigma for SARS. So its extremely easy to stigmatize China again for Covid-19, even when China has been telling the truth for at least most of the time. China suspecting Fort Detrick is not technically a lie. There are circumstantial evidence that something is amiss there. If America is truly innocent, why does it go to great lengths to silence suspicions of that place? America could just have easily allowed an investigation into that place to disprove and humiliate China.
The main problem is the power of the American influence in media and politics. The Chinese are just too new in this arena to put up a serious fight. It is only the critical thinkers or pro-China fans who are against the China-hate campaign.
On the brighter side. The world will eventually have to open up to China. Not because they love China, but because they need Chinese money. China should learn the lessons of the past and leverage this fact. Demand that these countries stop their Sinophobia, or no deal. You cannot sign any deal with China, but at the same time promote Sinophobia. Those old times have to stop.