Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

MarkD

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Begone science denying Trump believer.

You think you can beat Mother Nature? That's bullshit. Humans will never exterminate every virus there is. Virus is important for evolution. Virus transmits genes between people, between animals and people.
 

KYli

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The last comment that 100 million doses have already been administered is highly illuminating. Considering this was the last of the big 4 vaccines to have been rought online, this is a rather high number. The ZF2001 trials have been rolled out slower than sinovac/sinopharm, so could be indicating stronger than expected efficacy. I'm curious as to efficacy of FZ2001, since it seems to be holding up better against the variants.
It is quite possible as Zhifei was already producing 1 million doses per day in early April. And a month ago, an article mentioned 60 million doses have been administered.

Don't know about the efficacy rate. I am not going to cite rumors so it is anyone guesses. Although we do know that there is 6 folds decrease for mRNA, 3 folds decrease for inactivated, and only 1.6 fold decrease against beta. Beta has been most evaded variant of all variants so we can conclude that Zhifei or maybe most subunit vaccines do perform better against variants.

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ZF2001 COVID-19 Vaccine is indicated to prevent COVID-19 severe disease from the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

In February 2021,
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of twelve serum samples taken from recipients of ZF2001 retained neutralizing activity against the Beta variant, although with weaker activity than against the original virus. For ZF-2001, geometric mean titers declined by 1.6-fold, from 106.1 to 66.6, which was less than antisera from mRNA vaccine recipients with a 6-folds decrease.
 

taxiya

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It also states that Ukrainians can come to China, visa-free.
This is actually quite a lot - because most others(from most of the world) can't, in principle, no matter the procedures. Vaccinated, from countries with a much better situation - doesn't matter.
Hmm, do you read Ukrainian or Bing translation is totally off?

Here is the full translation. You can try it yourself.

Ukraine introduces temporary visa-free regime for tourists from China​

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March 23, 2021 23:47

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed a decree on the temporary introduction of a visa-free regime for citizens of the People's Republic of China who will come to Ukraine for tourist purposes.
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website of the Office of the President of Ukraine.
The visa-free regime will last ᅳ from April 1 to September 30. During this time, tourists from China will be able to enter Ukraine, as well as transit without a visa, if their stay in Ukraine does not exceed 30 days within 180 days.
The OP website notes that this decree should contribute to the development of friendly relations between Ukraine and the People's Republic of China and the intensification of bilateral cooperation in the field of tourism.
This is not the first such decision, a similar visa-free regime
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Chinese tourists was valid from August 1, 2020 to January 31, 2021.
In the summer, Zelensky
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representatives of the tourism industry in Ukraine to work to interest foreign tourists, because, according to tour operators, a foreigner spends $ 120-150 per day and stays in Ukraine for three to four days on average.

First off, in nowhere did the article say anything about China giving the returning visa-free favor to Ukraine. It is a TEMPORARY measure from the Ukrainian side ONLY. Nothing else.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with COVID-19 exemption which you claimed. COVID related measures are such as "NO tourist visa" and "mandatory quarintine". China does let in foreigners such as people has job and family in China. However there is no special treatment to country.

Lastly and most importantly, China does NOT even exempt Chinese citizens (from the measures) returning to China from abroad, how could any foreign citizens being exempt?

The irony here is that it isn't even for the most valuable specialists - those can come from anywhere anyway through 邀请函 procedure.
This is for "normal" workers and simple business exchanges - including those whom I mentioned in the post above.

I am in the middle of this situation, so am kinda up to date. ;p
Your example does not constitute exempt to Ukraine. It has been for many other countries as well for more than half year starting with Japan and South Korea. I think the one who does not enjoy this policy is the minority rather than a few "privileged" country being exempted from general rule.
 
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KYli

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MSM is silent. So Anyone of you guys want to do the math to see the true efficacy rate.
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At the moment, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions have been vaccinated. Moreover, according to Hebrew University researchers who advise the government, around 90% of newly infected people over the age of 50 are fully
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The “percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the third wave when there were no vaccines,” Prof. Eran Segal, a computational biologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science who advises the coronavirus cabinet, tweeted on Friday.
 
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taxiya

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As far as I know, country doesn't matter visa types matter. It seems most of the time, foreign nationals are allowed in when they have jobs or family in China.
You missed the point. The question was after somebody claimed China is issuing exemptions to some countries regarding general visa.

It is not about foreign nationals who has job or family in China. These people have been allowed to visit China some time ago, and there is NO special treatment to certain country (the exemption in question).

For the other visitors (tourists etc.), it is still closed, no exemption.
 

winword

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You missed the point. The question was after somebody claimed China is issuing exemptions to some countries regarding general visa.

It is not about foreign nationals who has job or family in China. These people have been allowed to visit China some time ago, and there is NO special treatment to certain country (the exemption in question).

For the other visitors (tourists etc.), it is still closed, no exemption.
I think we agreed on the current policy. Initially they were discussing about visa exemption, but the statement ("depends on country") which he was questioning was replying to "Visa or not, no foreign nationals are allow into China. Only special cases are allowed in", I found this is mostly correct as indeed only special case are allowed in at the moment.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Countries that ignore covid will race ahead. Covid is not that much of a deal. It is only one in a plethora of human coronaviruses and as it evolves its lethality will drop. Already covid lethality is less than 1% having dropped from more than 10% when it appeared in 2019. China reported about 90,000 cases and 5,000 deaths in early 2020.
Sweden did that and they failed. However one can argue that the reason for their failure is that they didn’t have vaccines. So we’ll see how the Brits fare.

As for deaths, you are absolutely right in the fact that statistically speaking the lethality is low. However the Chinese won’t open their country up due to several reasons:
1. They don’t need to. Unlike other economies, the Chinese one is entering a stage in which they can consume their own products. They no longer primarily rely on exports for wealth.
2. Unlike Western governments, semi or fully competent Chinese leaderships are expected to prioritize the people’s lives first. This is a fundamental principle in Chinese society. It’s understandable if a non Chinese person like you wouldn’t understand since you are culturally and philosophically different from us.
3. This is a guess, but I believe the Chinese are taking in consideration of the long haul damage from covid. There are many cases in which people who go through covid, regardless of its severity, have a good chance to receive long haul damage. I posted a report done on that phenomenon several weeks back and that was done on people with private health insurance who reported it. Imagine the rate among those with no insurance. In short, a huge chunk of the populace will be disabled and the economy will take a huge hit.
 
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