Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Sardaukar20

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The WSJ report says the three "sought hospital care" and refers to their "hospital visits" which is critical phrasing. There is a big difference between seeking care at a hospital and being "hospitalized", which implies emergency room and/or ICU care. However, if China did cover up a lab leak, then the CPC will have to be overthrown and Xi Jinping will have to be drawn and quartered in public or else China will be a pariah state and Chinese people will be treated like animals whereever we go.
Ridiculous logic. If we follow that crap, Trump, Modi, Bolsonaro, Tsai and others of their ilk should be drawn and quartered 1st. Don't talk about lab leak as a thing that only China can be guilty of! The US itself is responsible for numerous accidental and intentional release of pathogens, toxins, and even human experimentation. By your logic then, the US govt would have already been overthrown, and the US citizens, treated as pariahs. Stupid logic works both ways.
 

canniBUS

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Ridiculous logic. If we follow that crap, Trump, Modi, Bolsonaro, Tsai and others of their ilk should be drawn an quartered 1st. Don't talk about lab leak as a thing that only China can be guilty of! The US itself is responsible for numerous accidental and intentional release of pathogens, toxins, and even human experimentation. By your logic, the US govt needs to be overthrown, and the US citizens need to be treated as pariahs.
You're not wrong about the US govt. World would be a much better place without them.
 

Temstar

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The WSJ report says the three "sought hospital care" and refers to their "hospital visits" which is critical phrasing. There is a big difference between seeking care at a hospital and being "hospitalized", which implies emergency room and/or ICU care. However, if China did cover up a lab leak, then the CPC will have to be overthrown and Xi Jinping will have to be drawn and quartered in public or else China will be a pariah state and Chinese people will be treated like animals whereever we go.
In China there's no GP, for any illness you either tough it out yourself or you go to hospital. Lots of people don't even bother going to their local small hospital but insists on going to the biggest 3A hospital for sniffle. This isn't necessarily a good thing for your medical system but in this case it proved to be an advantage - China has an repository illness early warning system put in place after SARS where samples are collected across the country and screened at random to make sure no novel disease came up. COVID-19 was picked up pretty early by the system and flagged as "SARS-like" and case for concern. This warning started to filter down the chain of command and this is the original source of Li Wenliang's warning to his friends that SARS is back.

After the initial outbreak various institutions went back into the sample pool of the early warning system to see how far back they could find cases of COVID-19. I believe the earliest case found was in November, there are zero positive samples before then. Cases in December were quite rare.

This "going back to test samples" is part of this whole WSJ story.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The WSJ report says the three "sought hospital care" and refers to their "hospital visits" which is critical phrasing. There is a big difference between seeking care at a hospital and being "hospitalized", which implies emergency room and/or ICU care. However, if China did cover up a lab leak, then the CPC will have to be overthrown and Xi Jinping will have to be drawn and quartered in public or else China will be a pariah state and Chinese people will be treated like animals whereever we go.
Who's going to replace the CPC and will do the overthrowing? You and what Army? I hope you're not shitting around with that nonsense man.
 

Sardaukar20

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Trump, Modi, Bolsonaro and Tsai combined did not cover up the origin of a virus that has caused the whole world to crash. Chinese people are about to become the Jews of the world, thanks to Xi Jinping if he did indeed cover this up. They should have just admitted it from the beginning and then said you shouldn't politicize it. It would have been tough to deal with but they would have had the moral high ground. But by being dishonest they have lost themselves. IF that is what happened.

Like I said, it's perfectly plausible that three workers would have sought treatment at a hospital possibly for some mild flu. The WSJ phrasing is critical here. They said "sought hospital care" and not "was put in the emergency room on a ventilator." A big difference there. IF it wasn't a lab leak, then the US will have big egg on their faces for pushing this theory.
All those leaders above are responsible for the vast majority of the deaths and destructions by Covid-19. They've allowed the virus to become as big as it is right now.

If you are so convinced that China lied and cover up. Why then did you not assign responsibility to those leaders for not believing China 1st, and take the virus far more serously? Test, trace, treat, and buildup treatment capacity. Those recommendations were not written by China alone. It was written by CDC and WHO specialists around the world. Those leaders had the chance to prove to China and the world that democratic governments are superior at fighting Covid-19! But alas here we are. Coming on 2 years in the pandemic. New strains going around. Vaccination efforts slowed down by politics. Its a failure of the free world!

We don't need to debate how China handled the Covid-19. The evidence is all for us to see. The US could have ended the pandemic at less than 100k cases and less than 5k deaths if Trump had been serious about it. Modi could have averted the disaster in India if he was serious about the virus instead of just thinking about Jai Hind. Stop sleeping, and wake up already!
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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The WSJ report says the three "sought hospital care" and refers to their "hospital visits" which is critical phrasing. There is a big difference between seeking care at a hospital and being "hospitalized", which implies emergency room and/or ICU care. However, if China did cover up a lab leak, then the CPC will have to be overthrown and Xi Jinping will have to be drawn and quartered in public or else China will be a pariah state and Chinese people will be treated like animals whereever we go.
If Mister covid-19 will disappear like magic a.k.a. Donald Trump couldn't be quartered in public let alone be convicted for his numerous debacle then why would China, let alone the CPC would subject one of it's most effective leader in the party's history to such dumbf..kery? To appease the shameless banana Chinese who never gave a flying f..k about China nor mainland Chinese? Your comment that you made actually offends the f..k out of me as an overseas Chinese. I mean sh..t dude, our lives as we presently know it are as comfortable and abundance in China compared to what our ancestors went through and they went through everything. Yet, despite all the hardships most of them persevered and persisted long enough to believe in themselves and in one China. For you to be uttering such nonsensical b.s. all because your life is somehow being inconvenienced because of Kung Flu narrative, racism, and discrimination well tough s..t that's the price we pay for living and buying the b.s. of freedom, equality in western world. That's the price most Chinese pay due to China's Imperial failures that almost led to it's permanent decapitation.

The CPC as I have mentioned aren't angels but I'll be da..ned if I will play along with the western machinations and interest with the motherland by supporting the downfall of the one party and entity responsible for the unification of the country and the current economic success unprecedented in the history of China and frankly in the history of the world. You don't want to get discriminated for being Chinese, then go buy yourself a shirt with a label that says you're not Chinese and we'll see how far and effective that goes.
 

Heliox

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Paraphrased tldr;

The likely most recent common ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 differs from genomes of the first coronaviruses sampled in China by three variants, implying that none of the earliest patients represent the index case or gave rise to all the human infections.

However, multiple coronavirus infections in China and the USA harbored the progenitor genetic fingerprint in January 2020 and later, suggesting that the progenitor was spreading worldwide months before and after the first reported cases of COVID-19 in China.

Mutations of the progenitor and its offshoots have produced many dominant coronavirus strains, which have spread episodically over time. Fingerprinting based on common mutations reveals that the same coronavirus lineage has dominated North America for most of the pandemic in 2020.

Salient takeaway;
Manufactured virus or not, the trail of progenitor and mutated variants does not support WIV as ground zero
 

hashtagpls

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China will do absolutely nothing.

It is just a conspiracy theory.

The Americans are experts at that.

Soon they will solve the mysteries, who shot Kennedy. Then who did those anthrax attacks will be exposed too.
If the anglo led West wants to push the conspiracy theory lab leak agenda, it's going to end up the same way the rest of their machinations against china have ended up: hoisted on their own petard.

Let the conspiracy theories fly...and see how fertile a ground in the west it finds, the conspiracy theory that COVID was an American bioweapon released against China during the military games in Wuhan, along with predated COVID remnants in italy, the US, those vaping deaths.
Indeed, let them go down that conspiracy theory route and watch it blow up in their faces.

 
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