Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
- Thread starter localizer
- Start date
You are not the only one. It brought tears to my eyes too when I watched the video.
Salute to medical staff professionals everywhere who put their personal safety on the line.
Two interesting interviews:
Interview with Feng Zijian, associate director of the Chinese CDC:
In response to the question whether the Chinese CDC was too slow in confirming human to human transmission, Dr Feng argued that CDC was being conservative and being conservative was rigorous.
Interview with Yang Gonghuan, former associate director of the Chinese CDC:
Dr Yang bought up a very important point: unlike its American counterpart, the Chinese CDC is not a government agency. It is a public-service unit (PSU/事业单位) just like universities, hospitals and research labs. I checked and indeed the website for Chinese CDC doesn't have a .gov.cn domain, it's chinacdc.cn instead of cdc.gov.cn
So members of the Chinese CDC are not public health officials, but researchers/scientists. From this point of view one can understand the current associate director Dr Feng's attitude that CDC was right in being very conservative and rigorous and therefore slow in confirming human to human transmission. It was good science but terrible public health policy. However, it seems public health officials in the National Health Commission might been overly influenced by the scientific opinions of the CDC, and failed to adequately consider the public health consequences. Note that public health officials might not have the technical expertises on infectious diseases the CDC has. This really doesn't seem like a good arrangement.
Interview with Feng Zijian, associate director of the Chinese CDC:
In response to the question whether the Chinese CDC was too slow in confirming human to human transmission, Dr Feng argued that CDC was being conservative and being conservative was rigorous.
Interview with Yang Gonghuan, former associate director of the Chinese CDC:
Dr Yang bought up a very important point: unlike its American counterpart, the Chinese CDC is not a government agency. It is a public-service unit (PSU/事业单位) just like universities, hospitals and research labs. I checked and indeed the website for Chinese CDC doesn't have a .gov.cn domain, it's chinacdc.cn instead of cdc.gov.cn
So members of the Chinese CDC are not public health officials, but researchers/scientists. From this point of view one can understand the current associate director Dr Feng's attitude that CDC was right in being very conservative and rigorous and therefore slow in confirming human to human transmission. It was good science but terrible public health policy. However, it seems public health officials in the National Health Commission might been overly influenced by the scientific opinions of the CDC, and failed to adequately consider the public health consequences. Note that public health officials might not have the technical expertises on infectious diseases the CDC has. This really doesn't seem like a good arrangement.
To be fair, MERS spread between humans but requires very close contact with the infected person. Since its spread is so uncommon outside of hospitals, no epidemic was declared. Not denying they have made mistakes. Not saying some of them should not be punished. I just don't want to be too judgemental as we know all the facts now but they don't. Put yourself in their shoes, it is not easy to make the call. Hindsight is 2020.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Help is coming from Chonqing, Hebei, Quangdong, Fujian
Guys ... this is a kind but very clear reminder: STOP with any politics and even more system comparisons or legitimization of a certain one.
I have neither the time nor I'm in the mood to read all that stuff, to sort out what is political or whatever off-topic.
If the complaints and reports are growing by numbers, I'll simply close this thread.
I have neither the time nor I'm in the mood to read all that stuff, to sort out what is political or whatever off-topic.
If the complaints and reports are growing by numbers, I'll simply close this thread.
solarz
Brigadier
This explains much.
It is quite apparent that in the early days of the outbreak, there were conflicting reports about the seriousness of the virus. It is also quite apparent that Wuhan authorities were overly reliant on the recommendations of public health experts. The fact that the CDC is not a government agency goes a long way to explain the communication gap between it and the authorities. This gap certainly needs to be addressed once the crisis is over.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Life inside those make shift hospitals
Central China's Wuhan City has built many makeshift hospitals for patients with mild symptoms of novel coronavirus. A lot of videos have recently emerged on social media platforms showing how patients in these hospitals are relieving stress and catering to their physical well-being by indulging in some dance. CCTV's reporter visited one of the makeshift hospitals to check out how these patients are keeping themselves entertained.
Central China's Wuhan City has built many makeshift hospitals for patients with mild symptoms of novel coronavirus. A lot of videos have recently emerged on social media platforms showing how patients in these hospitals are relieving stress and catering to their physical well-being by indulging in some dance. CCTV's reporter visited one of the makeshift hospitals to check out how these patients are keeping themselves entertained.
Jura The idiot
General