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Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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I've explained to certain Indians in the Youtube on this matter too.
They should be thankful that China is willing to sell their oxygen concentrators and other medical equipment to India.
Even if India have all the money, they could not get such products in the required quantities from anywhere else in the world.
And don't forget, their 'ally', the US, refuses to sell India raw materials for vaccine.
More expected crap from India Today. This time, again the Wuhan lab theory. This Dr Li Meng Yan have been discredited by the general scientific community. All talk and no journal to show. Have been promoted by the Trump administration to no avail. So she ending up in India Today is destiny.
This Wuhan lab theory BS winds me up every time. Every time this "Covid-19 is a bioweapon" theory comes out. I must ask: cui bono? To whom is it a benefit? Sorry, I feel a need to rant about this.
China got hit by Covid-19 first. It was unknown to everyone at that time. The country had to lockdown for awhile, hurting its economy, and creating discontent with the Chinese citizens at that time. Immediately everyone in the 'free world' including India jumped on China. They condemned China as a viral apocalypse. Words like "sick man", "yellow alert", "China virus" etc were used. Before the virus really hit the West, it came from 'bat soup', and not from a biolab! Then they all celebrated that this time, China will fall. They cheered the idea of manufacturing moving out of China. Saying that China is unreliable, because it always gets viruses. That this is good for America, and India. Chinese citizens were blocked entry into many countries. Some even refused services. Chinese people and their overseas counterparts suddenly become international pariahs. They were racially insulted and assaulted. There was a call to boycott Chinese goods, especially in India. Remember that this was the time when the virus was still mainly in China. Remember also that the HK protests was still very fresh on everyone's minds. China's world image in late 2019 to early 2020 was in a very very bad shape.
Looking at all that had happened. China was scapegoated like hell. Till today, China and Chinese people suffered stigmatization. With the world economy in ruins, China's export market has deteriorated. Some might say that China's economy grew on 2020, while others declined. Well, if there was no pandemic, China's economy would have grown by 6% instead of just 1+%! Tensions with the 'free world', is at a new high. The Quad was officially formed after the Wuhan Covid-19 outbreak. China is less safe after Covid-19 than before. China perhaps enjoyed greater internal happiness and self confidence. But its global image has been terribly tarnished. Nations from the 'free world' are lining up, to try to insult and disturb China. What then does China stand to gain by releasing this virus to world? Especially during a trade war with the US. Especially when China had suffered intense PR damage from the HK rioting. It's just pure nonsense!
Cui bono? Who stands to gain? Who has an active biowarfare program? Who has biowarfare labs situated around the globe? Who has the track record of using biowarfare, especially covertly? Who stands to gain by having China in the predicament it was in during the Wuhan outbreak? Why is it only the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) mentioned, and so easily Googled when it comes to this biolab theory? Why not other, more notorious biowarfare labs? Why are questions about Covid-19 appearances around the world before Wuhan getting so little traction? Why is there no word about investigating the earliest possible Covid-19 cases around the world?
I don't like to go down this path of the Covid-19 bio weapon theory. Its just too much conspiracy. But I believe this crap is starting to get serious now. They had pushed this to the point where its no longer an outlandish tinfoil theory. Even the WHO had to backtrack from completely refuting the lab theory. WHO had to plan another visit to the WIV to scrutinize deeper. If the 'free world' can do such malicious things. Then its fair game that we must ask questions about them. We can and must ask questions about why Covid-19 appeared in the West so much earlier than in China? Why not have the WHO investigate the Greenspring Retirement community outbreak in 2019? Why not have the WHO investigate the big US flu wave at the end of 2019? If WHO must investigate the WIV, then WHO must also investigate Fort Detrick. Leave no stones unturned. The US need to be transparent! If it is truly innocent, then there will be nothing to hide!
Sometimes these people are too enthusiastic to put too much detail into their slander. One has to wonder if they are actually doing a projection on China based on what they did, or what they would to do if Covid-19 really was a bioweapon in their hands.
This Wuhan lab theory BS winds me up every time. Every time this "Covid-19 is a bioweapon" theory comes out. I must ask: cui bono? To whom is it a benefit? Sorry, I feel a need to rant about this.
China got hit by Covid-19 first. It was unknown to everyone at that time. The country had to lockdown for awhile, hurting its economy, and creating discontent with the Chinese citizens at that time. Immediately everyone in the 'free world' including India jumped on China. They condemned China as a viral apocalypse. Words like "sick man", "yellow alert", "China virus" etc were used. Before the virus really hit the West, it came from 'bat soup', and not from a biolab! Then they all celebrated that this time, China will fall. They cheered the idea of manufacturing moving out of China. Saying that China is unreliable, because it always gets viruses. That this is good for America, and India. Chinese citizens were blocked entry into many countries. Some even refused services. Chinese people and their overseas counterparts suddenly become international pariahs. They were racially insulted and assaulted. There was a call to boycott Chinese goods, especially in India. Remember that this was the time when the virus was still mainly in China. Remember also that the HK protests was still very fresh on everyone's minds. China's world image in late 2019 to early 2020 was in a very very bad shape.
Looking at all that had happened. China was scapegoated like hell. Till today, China and Chinese people suffered stigmatization. With the world economy in ruins, China's export market has deteriorated. Some might say that China's economy grew on 2020, while others declined. Well, if there was no pandemic, China's economy would have grown by 6% instead of just 1+%! Tensions with the 'free world', is at a new high. The Quad was officially formed after the Wuhan Covid-19 outbreak. China is less safe after Covid-19 than before. China perhaps enjoyed greater internal happiness and self confidence. But its global image has been terribly tarnished. Nations from the 'free world' are lining up, to try to insult and disturb China. What then does China stand to gain by releasing this virus to world? Especially during a trade war with the US. Especially when China had suffered intense PR damage from the HK rioting. It's just pure nonsense!
Cui bono? Who stands to gain? Who has an active biowarfare program? Who has biowarfare labs situated around the globe? Who has the track record of using biowarfare, especially covertly? Who stands to gain by having China in the predicament it was in during the Wuhan outbreak? Why is it only the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) mentioned, and so easily Googled when it comes to this biolab theory? Why not other, more notorious biowarfare labs? Why are questions about Covid-19 appearances around the world before Wuhan getting so little traction? Why is there no word about investigating the earliest possible Covid-19 cases around the world?
I don't like to go down this path of the Covid-19 bio weapon theory. Its just too much conspiracy. But I believe this crap is starting to get serious now. They had pushed this to the point where its no longer an outlandish tinfoil theory. Even the WHO had to backtrack from completely refuting the lab theory. WHO had to plan another visit to the WIV to scrutinize deeper. If the 'free world' can do such malicious things. Then its fair game that we must ask questions about them. We can and must ask questions about why Covid-19 appeared in the West so much earlier than in China? Why not have the WHO investigate the Greenspring Retirement community outbreak in 2019? Why not have the WHO investigate the big US flu wave at the end of 2019? If WHO must investigate the WIV, then WHO must also investigate Fort Detrick. Leave no stones unturned. The US need to be transparent! If it is truly innocent, then there will be nothing to hide!
Quickie
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The vaccine trials can't be compared because:
(I seem to be repeating myself but then again this is so frustrating.)
1. The trial settings/conditions are very different. Sinovac trial in Brazil was done in a hospital setting. It's quite possible a particularly virulent Brazilian variant of the virus may already be circulating then.
2. The trial criteria and even the sampling of the subjects are very different. I recall that one of the vaccines (non-Chinese) trials simply ignore a bunch of samples that didn't fall within the list of required symptoms.
3. The vaccine trials of the Chinese vaccine have been done by third-party countries whereas the western vaccine trials have been done by the vaccine manufacturers themselves.
I think the most trustable information comes from vaccination programs done in the real world by third-party countries, a good example of which is the one in Indonesia posted by Kyli.
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plawolf
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It’s kinda funny, the more America pushes the COVID bio-weapon angle, the more I actually think there might be something to it - only it wasn’t a Chinese bio-weapon, but an American one, and all this is to force China to deny it so when evidence does come out that it’s a bio-weapon, people will either dismiss it if they believe China or think it’s a Chinese bio-weapon if they believe America.
The timing and location of the initial outbreak was basically the worst case possible for China, being just before the annual lunar new year mass travel holidays, and happening at a central transportation super hub, with the added benefit of having limited (compared to pretty much every eastern seaboard cities) international transport connections.
If one was looking to deliberately release a bioweapon against China covertly, it’s hard to think of a better time and target.
Had China displayed even western levels of competence (which was impossible according to all western experts before the pandemic), it would have spread uncontrollably throughout China and China would have looked a lot of India today (minus all the cow dung BS), with the west actively pushing for and funding regime change, insurrection in HK, a formal Declaration of Independence by Taiwan and an invasion by India to the west looking to annex Tibet, Xinjiang and pretty much everything else they can reach.
It all looks suspiciously like a co-ordinated plan to deliver a death blow to modern China, and Trump is most certainly crazy and cruel enough to be all over such a plan.
The timing and location of the initial outbreak was basically the worst case possible for China, being just before the annual lunar new year mass travel holidays, and happening at a central transportation super hub, with the added benefit of having limited (compared to pretty much every eastern seaboard cities) international transport connections.
If one was looking to deliberately release a bioweapon against China covertly, it’s hard to think of a better time and target.
Had China displayed even western levels of competence (which was impossible according to all western experts before the pandemic), it would have spread uncontrollably throughout China and China would have looked a lot of India today (minus all the cow dung BS), with the west actively pushing for and funding regime change, insurrection in HK, a formal Declaration of Independence by Taiwan and an invasion by India to the west looking to annex Tibet, Xinjiang and pretty much everything else they can reach.
It all looks suspiciously like a co-ordinated plan to deliver a death blow to modern China, and Trump is most certainly crazy and cruel enough to be all over such a plan.
AssassinsMace
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I actually thought that was exactly going to happen. Did anyone not?This gouging or profiteering on disaster is despicable act. I feel bad for Indian masses that is what you got if you have incompetent government. Chinese people suffer the same calamity under Kuomintang glad they get rid of it with huge sacrifice
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Indian middlemen’s price-gouging of China-made oxygen concentrators is blasted
Chinese oxygen concentrator producers question re-sale of their products for profit
By GT staff reportersPublished: May 11, 2021 07:18 PM
A volunteer arranges oxygen cyclinders inside a bus converted to provide oxygen to Covid-19 coronavirus patient with breathing problems while waiting to be admitted at government hospital on May 5, 2021. Photo: VCG
Chinese oxygen concentrator suppliers are upset and saddened by price-gouging of anti-virus devices such as theirs in the Indian market, calling the move a deviation from their original humanitarian intention.
Many Chinese producers have exported oxygen making items to India at below-market prices by working extra shifts for timely delivery, even during the recent May Day holiday, to ensure the much-needed goods are delivered to those who badly need them, industry insiders said.
Media reports said the Delhi Police announced on Sunday that a company named Matrix Cellular Services was accused of black marketing oxygen concentrators. The company allegedly procured more than 7,000 concentrators from local vendors and Chinese companies before selling them at "exorbitant rates" to COVID-19 patients and their families, The Indian Express reported on Monday.
Not exactly. There is this guy (speaking Mandarin) in India showing a business man that try to sell at cost. They are in the minority.
Whatever it is, the Indian government is highly irresponsible and actually killing the poor. Such machines should be purchased by the states in order to avoid profiteering.
There is no way ordinary poor Indian could afford such machines.
But the smell will linger forever in these halls.For SDF's sake, you can delete the image
For SDF's sake, you can delete the image
India should attached some kind of health warnings to this practice. A bit like what we see in a cigarette packet.
Superpower India 2020? India still can't drag themselves out from the dark ages. Generally I dont like picking holes in other people's culture and customs. But really, smearing yourselves with cow dung is a protection from covid, Reaĺly?
Not only that, some devotees even eat cow dung and drink cow urine. With this kind on thinking, carry on dreaming super power India 2121.
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Sinovac CEO Yin Weidong stated that they have given a license to Indonesia, Brazil, Malaysia and Egypt, along with Turkey, to produce the vaccine in their countries.Speaking to Bloomberg, Yin stated that they provided enough vaccines to Brazil, Indonesia and Turkey to vaccinate 20 percent of the population, but this was insufficient.
Real life results showed high efficacy
CoronaVac, the CoronaVac vaccine produced by Sinovac Biotech Ltd., achieved high efficacy results in real-life observations among healthcare professionals in Indonesia.Indonesian Minister of Health Budi Gunadı Sadıkin told Bloomberg that 25,374 healthcare workers with the Sinovac vaccine were followed up for 28 days after receiving their second dose. According to the information given by Sadıkin, the vaccine prevented 100 percent loss of life among the monitored group and provided 96 percent protection against hospitalizations.