COMAC C919

Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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Good news for C919 Now what kind of road block the lucifer would throw to hamper the progress
China, EU aviation regulators sign landmark deal, paving road for home-made C919

Source:Global Times Published: 2019/5/20
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China and the EU inked landmark agreements on Monday, recognizing aircraft certifications from both sides and creating a framework for further cooperation in areas of policy, technology, and talent.

The agreements were signed between the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), and marks the first time for China and the EU to reach such a deal in the civil aviation sector, according to a report from the CAAC News, which is affiliated with the Chinese regulator.

The two agreements cover air space security and flight patterns.

"They are framework agreements and more details are expected to come soon," said Diao Weimin, an international aviation law expert and a professor at the Civil Aviation Management Institute of China.

Diao told the Global Times on Monday the deal is related to the airworthiness certification of China's home-built C919.

"At least it can pave way for C919's entering the EU market in terms of normalization," said Diao.

Certification from the US Federal Aviation Administration and the EASA, along with improving safety, reliability, and economic standards, are the main focus points before the first C919s can be delivered, industry insiders said.

China and the EU will continue to develop negotiations on airworthiness certifications and environmental protection to serve import and export of aviation products among both entities while boosting cooperation within related enterprises, the CAAC News reported.
 
MrCrazyBoyRavi

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I think C919 chances of flight looks doomed now. US seems hellbent to stop or destroy any Chinese technological progress before it becomes a strong competition. Comac uses a lot of US tech and US can easily block sales of Engine, avionics or other technology that goes inside C919.
 
manqiangrexue

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MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
I think C919 chances of flight looks doomed now. US seems hellbent to stop or destroy any Chinese technological progress before it becomes a strong competition. Comac uses a lot of US tech and US can easily block sales of Engine, avionics or other technology that goes inside C919.
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Might cause a delay getting all the contracts shifted over to European suppliers before China has domestic versions ready but the final result will be no US parts in a Chinese jet and loss of market for US companies. There's very little in that that I don't like.
 
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Well those delay would be quite dramatic, including engines, avionics. I don't believe RR has suitable engines in this size category? The PD-14, and CJ-1000 are years away from certification themselves, let alone certifying the C919 with them.

How much say does Safran have in the partnership with CFMI, can they ensure the continued supply (unlikely)?

Seems like a big waste to have competing designs between Russian and Chinese single aisle aircraft. A lot of money developing 2 aircraft, with their internal markets split in 2 too.
 
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Tirdent

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PD-14 is just about ready, actually. It received certification in Russia about 6 months ago and the first shipset of production engines for the next MS-21 prototype was handed over to Irkut recently. EASA validation of the Russian approval is expected to follow before the end of this year. Might take a Chinese cash injection into the supply chain to assure the required production capacity if it is to equip two major airframe projects though, but that could only benefit the programme - part of the issues experienced by the PS-90A and SaM-146 were caused by lack of production volume. Take the LEAP and GTF, things were/are hardly plain sailing but eventually they will stabilize as they move down the learning curve and put the teething troubles behind them.
 
Gatekeeper

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Hendrik_2000 said:
Good news for C919 Now what kind of road block the lucifer would throw to hamper the progress
China, EU aviation regulators sign landmark deal, paving road for home-made C919

Source:Global Times Published: 2019/5/20
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China and the EU inked landmark agreements on Monday, recognizing aircraft certifications from both sides and creating a framework for further cooperation in areas of policy, technology, and talent.

The agreements were signed between the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), and marks the first time for China and the EU to reach such a deal in the civil aviation sector, according to a report from the CAAC News, which is affiliated with the Chinese regulator.

The two agreements cover air space security and flight patterns.

"They are framework agreements and more details are expected to come soon," said Diao Weimin, an international aviation law expert and a professor at the Civil Aviation Management Institute of China.

Diao told the Global Times on Monday the deal is related to the airworthiness certification of China's home-built C919.

"At least it can pave way for C919's entering the EU market in terms of normalization," said Diao.

Certification from the US Federal Aviation Administration and the EASA, along with improving safety, reliability, and economic standards, are the main focus points before the first C919s can be delivered, industry insiders said.

China and the EU will continue to develop negotiations on airworthiness certifications and environmental protection to serve import and export of aviation products among both entities while boosting cooperation within related enterprises, the CAAC News reported.
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Good news indeed, but don't count your chicken yet! Any determined entity (lucifer) lol can still put a spanner into the works!
 
Gatekeeper

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MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
I think C919 chances of flight looks doomed now. US seems hellbent to stop or destroy any Chinese technological progress before it becomes a strong competition. Comac uses a lot of US tech and US can easily block sales of Engine, avionics or other technology that goes inside C919.
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Yes, very worrysome, and the sad thing is, where are the checks and balances we keep hearing about.
 
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Tirdent

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manqiangrexue said:
Might cause a delay getting all the contracts shifted over to European suppliers before China has domestic versions ready but the final result will be no US parts in a Chinese jet and loss of market for US companies. There's very little in that that I don't like.
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Depends on how that ban is implemented. If it's structured like CAATSA the short-term damage to the Chinese side could still be debilitating, as it would not only block US suppliers from dealing with China but also ban foreign entities that continue to do business with the Chinese from the US market. The latter remains a far bigger source of income to most European aerospace suppliers than China, so forcing them to pick either one or the other can result in only one outcome.
 
Gatekeeper

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manqiangrexue said:
Might cause a delay getting all the contracts shifted over to European suppliers before China has domestic versions ready but the final result will be no US parts in a Chinese jet and loss of market for US companies. There's very little in that that I don't like.
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Yes, but there's nothing to stop you know who to put sanctions on ANY companies, inside or outside his jurisdiction.
As such, C919 could still be jeopardize.
 
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gelgoog

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I also think the engine situation would be particularly problematic. Both top engines in this weight category are the CFM Leap (which is a partnership between French Safran and US General Electric) and the PW1100 (by US/Canadian Pratt & Whitney). Other than the Russian PD-14 I can't think of any modern engine which is far enough in testing.
 
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