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tphuang

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Wrote about my thoughts on importance of building green energy industry. Even if you don't believe in environmental change, this is something China has to do for its own future in terms of reducing reliance on others, increasing its control of world energy trade and adoption of RMB
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Wrote about my thoughts on importance of building green energy industry. Even if you don't believe in environmental change, this is something China has to do for its own future in terms of reducing reliance on others, increasing its control of world energy trade and adoption of RMB
The renewable - hydrogen - methanol/ammonia chemical supply chain will be the defining feature of the 21st century. Whoever succeeds in electrification and a hydrogen based heavy chemical industry will have a gigantic advantage for the entire 21st century.
 

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I highly recommend reading this article, it's very informative about all the different sectors on China's renewable power boom. Also despite China's real estate woes being the hot new topic for the last month and a half, this is basically the only place that I have seen actually address where all the money that was previously being put into real estate is going.

The clean-energy investment boom in 2023 is the outcome of a major pivot in China’s macroeconomic strategy. As this analysis shows, investment flowed from real estate into manufacturing – primarily in the clean-energy sector.

Total investment in the manufacturing industry increased by 9% year-on-year in 2023, while investment in the power and heat sectors climbed 23%. These increases were entirely due to growth in investment in clean energy, with investment in other areas falling. Therefore, China’s pivot into manufacturing was, in reality, a pivot to cleantech manufacturing.

The reason for this pivot was the contraction in the real-estate sector, where investment fell by 10% year-on-year in 2022 and another 9% in 2023. While this drop was in line with the government’s aim to address financial risks and excess leverage in the sector, it left a major hole in aggregate investment demand and in the revenue of China’s local governments.

Local governments were under pressure to attract investment, meaning that they offered generous subsidies and helped arrange financing.
The central government, for its part, eased private-sector access to financial markets and bank loans during the Covid-19 pandemic, facilitating the growth of the clean-energy sector.

Unlike the state-owned firms dominating traditional industries, the low-carbon sector, largely composed of private companies, gained access to previously constrained credit. The significance of this economic shift is reflected not only in the figures revealed by this analysis but also in the language being used by Chinese media. The three largest of clean-energy sectors by value, namely solar, storage and EVs, are being referred to as the “new three”, in contrast to the “old three” – clothing, home appliances and furniture.
Turns out that pouring in billions into the black hole of real estate wasn't productive and that money going into actually productive industries is overall a good thing for China, even if it's gonna drag on GDP growth for a while.

I have read actual economic journal like Bloomberg and the Economist about the downfall of the real estate market where the overall tone of the articles are so smug and condescending and it's basically about "how China is done for good this time for real" and they never mentioned how the real estate bubble popping also means that investors and local governments are forced to actually invest in high tech industries of the future like clean energy, semiconductors, space etc etc and how this will change the nature of China's technology landscape.
 

luminary

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Deep / hard tech investment is holy grail of economic productivity.


New development:

Heavy industry in China have now received the official mandate to decarbonize.

This is the first time that big energy consumers have received the mandate, beforehand the gov has mostly been focused on energy providers.

Classic strategy: nurture supply side, then ensure demand.
 
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