Climate Change and Renewable Energy News and Discussion

tacoburger

Junior Member
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

China’s Ming Yang Smart Energy Group Ltd. plans to build a 22-megawatt turbine with a rotor diameter of more than 310 meters, a spokesperson said. As turbine hubs need to be placed high enough to make sure blades don’t dip into the water, that means that at their apex, the tips of blades will be near the Eiffel Tower’s 330-meter height.

Longer blades capture more wind and generate more power. Larger turbines usually drive down costs for wind developers by requiring fewer installations for the same capacity.

Ming Yang announced the design Wednesday and plans to build the first one by 2024 or 2025, the company said. In January, the company had unveiled plans for an 18-megawatt, 140-meter diameter turbine that at the time was the world’s biggest.

Ming Yang also revealed its largest onshore wind turbine this week, with 11 megawatts of capacity and blades that can cover the area of six soccer fields, the company said. Onshore turbines are starting to become too big for some markets, due to permitting and logistical restrictions, according to BloombergNEF.
It's a large jump in size. From 18mw to 22mw. I wonder if MY can handle the sudden increase or if it's safer to slowly increase the size of their turbines over time.
 

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


It's a large jump in size. From 18mw to 22mw. I wonder if MY can handle the sudden increase or if it's safer to slowly increase the size of their turbines over time.
yes Mingyang is the leader here. We will eventually get close to 30 probably
 

tacoburger

Junior Member
Registered Member
You remember the manufactured hysteria about Chinese pollution and coal plants?

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
Not surprising. People like to focus on big things like large wind/solar farms, EVs or nuclear plants. But there's tons of tiny little details that we or even the government probably don't keep track of much that are all leading towards falling emissions. And for a big country like China, probably not even the central government has the data to keep track of it all.

Electrification is the word. Not just for EVs. But other smaller stuff like electric stoves, induction stoves, heat pumps, construction equipment, industrial processes etc etc. And China is leading the way in many of this areas. Not only do they reduce carbon emissions and reduce fossil fuel use, they also bring other benefits like reduced air pollution, reduced water use and higher efficiently.

For example, heat pumps are not only much more efficient than gas boilers, it's also displacing the highly dangerous practice of coal stoves in northern China for heating that contribute heavily to air pollution and fires. Another example, construction equipment. In enclosed spaces like caves or tunnels, usage of gas powered vehicles are actually very dangerous due to buildup of carbon monoxide, hence why this sites will have large scale ventilation system in place, often powered by a diseal generator. With electric construction equipment, this isn't an issue, so you get to save money and energy on a ventilation system.

There are other benefits other than air pollution of course. One day, there will probably be the case where if one was working on a remote site without a grid connection, instead of bringing along a noisy diesel generator, you simply rent a monster electric truck with a Mwh battery to transport you and your equipment to the site and run all of your electric equipment off the truck's battery for a few days until the job is finished. Electric arc furnaces allows for steel making using steel scrap instead of raw ore.

The other side of this is increased efficiently, although electrification usually helps with that. From better insulated housing, to LED lightbulbs instead of fluorescent lights, waste heat being used for heating residential areas, remote work allowing for reduced transport, small but steadily efficiently increases in just about every device or appliance that we use, to edge cases like small drones doing the job that might have once needed an aerial lift or helicopters to do. There's a million different tiny ways this is slowly helping China to reduce it's carbon emissions and fossil fuel use. And because it's in so many tiny different forms, it's impossible to track until you look at the year end total energy useage and carbon emission data.

Which is why I think fossil fuel use and carbon emissions are gonna peak in China way way faster than anyone will expect it to.
 
Last edited:

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
You remember the manufactured hysteria about Chinese pollution and coal plants?

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

In dating terms the Chinese government is like the strong, silent type. He is not Romantic and will not shower you with false praises and flowers and claim that you are the love of his life. But he is reliable and uphold his promises to the best of his abilities. This is the type of man you want in a marriage.

Au contraire most Western governments are stereotypical chads. They will promise the world to you and lasso the moon just so that they can get between your legs. Once the deed is done and they are tired of you, however, they'll make a sneaky exit and leave you to raise the bastard kid on your own.
 

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
2 more major green methanol projects in Inner Mongolia for 1.7million total. Going fully online probably by 2026 to 2027.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
That's huge, can be used in wide range of areas and for feedstocks and such. A lot of chemical factories up in Mongolia that use coal derived methanol right now and I presume will use green methanol in the future

also, a project for 36kt green hydrogen that generates 200kt green ammonia in Liaoning
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
ammonia very important for production of fertilizers and such

These are all big projects and are adding up
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
This "green hydrogen" probably uses a lot of water to produce. I thought Northern China had water shortage issues as it is?
 

luminary

Senior Member
Registered Member
Guess somebody in the political establishment must be unhappy with the EU restrictions on Chinese wind, so they got Bloomberg to write this:

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

As the US slams a backdoor entry for
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and the European Union examines trade restrictions
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, there’s one point on which most people agree: China’s clean-energy products are cheaper because the sector is being grossly subsidized. One problem with that theory: There’s no evidence that such subsidies exist.
 

tacoburger

Junior Member
Registered Member
This "green hydrogen" probably uses a lot of water to produce. I thought Northern China had water shortage issues as it is?
Water is 89% oxygen and 11% Hydrogen so rule of thumb is that every ton of hydrogen takes 10 tons of water. In that context something like the average green hydrogen plant that produces say 50k tons of hydrogen every year only uses around 500k tons of water a year. For context, thermal plants like coal and natural gas can use millions of tons of water a day for cooling. Coal, oil and natural gas mining and refining also uses a massive amount of water, with coal mining in particular contaminating a large amount of water, ever heard of coal ash? And fracking also uses and contaminates a ton of water with tons of toxic chemicals. Not to mention that current methods of hydrogen production, like steam methane reforming also uses a ton of water.

As long as green hydrogen helps to reduce coal and oil use, it's a net gain in water production. Green hydrogen can take coal and oil's place in many industrial applications, for example replacing coal use in the production of steel, and of course, if used as a energy storage solution together with renewables you can heavily reduce the need to burn coal for energy. Of course you need to be make sure that it's actually reducing coal use.
 
Top