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If you are looking for a company to invest in and have access to China's stock market, I would seriously suggest MingYang. This is a good article about why you should consider them
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First, China has huge onshore wind turbine demand, which is all about lower cost. Mingyang can now produce its own blade, tower and gearbox, all of which will allow it to compete better. It also has its 8.5MW turbine which is competitive with everyone else.
但是现在陆上风电已经平价,因此明阳开始看重陆上风电市场,去年开始用双馈技术做了5-6M.的风机竞标。并且今年准备自建齿轮箱,而目前明阳的陆上风电已经自建了叶片产能,塔筒产能,等齿轮箱产能投产,将极大降低成本,可能会改变目前的陆上风电格局。这个情况明年上半年应该会出现

Where Mingyang really excels in is offshore turbine. It has the leading offshore 18MW product that was recently announced. All the turbines getting delivered this year are in the 10-14MW range. It will be delivering 16MW turbine next year. On top of that, it has full lineup of floating turbines, which is essential in harnessing the more powerful & abundant farther away offshore wind power.

But they go beyond that
最近几年,明阳涉足光伏,做了HJT电池和组件,另外还有碲化镉产能。明阳做光伏的意图,应该除了可以和风电一起利用市场资源外,还为了满足自己建设的风光储一体化师范项目使用
They've gotten into photovoltaics. Can make their own HJT battery. And produces Cadmium Telluride. Their goal with photovoltaics is to satisfy the requirement of wind/solar/storage projects.
旗下全资子公司天津瑞能电气有限公司经过多年的技术经验积累,已开发出了储能PCS系统,并已有批量外部订单。去年又投资海基
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打通储能系统从PCS到电池的储能核心产业链布局
I've actually looked here
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. They subsidiary REnergy Electric looks to have their own energy storage power conversion system.
But their biggest path forward is the hydrogen production business. They designed the world's largest alkaline electrolysis system. It has broadband tuning from 10 to 110% to adjust to the volatility of renewable energy
22年10月13日,
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制造的全球最大单体碱性水电解制氢装备在广东成功下线。全新下线的碱性水电解制氢装备单体产氢量为1500-2500Nm/h,单体产氢能力全球最大,由明阳智能自主独立设计并生产制造,具备10%-110%宽频调谐制氢能力,在消纳可再生能源波动性方面实现了技术突破;该装备可实现一键式操作
But the focus on Mingyang is offshore wind power and exploring sea resource.
With fish farms and hydrogen production.
H2 production makes a lot of sense when there is excessive wind energy, which severely lowers power prices.
明阳把风电重点放在海上风电,因此后面的所有布局都是围绕海风开展的。
为了利用海域资源,明阳做了海洋牧场。
而为了解决海风上网消纳的问题,明阳做了氢能
Hydrogen fuel can be used in industrial fields like metallurgy, chemical industry & others. By 2060, 60% on hydrogen usage is estimated to be industrial and only 31% expected to be in transportation
氢能不仅可以像光伏、风能一样发电,像锂电池一样用于交通领域,同时也可作为冶金、化工等工业领域的燃料使用。艾瑞咨询曾做过测算,预计到2060年,我国氢气利用结构中工业占比最大,约为60%,其次才是占比31%的交通领域
So, it's looking to be involved in the most promising green areas of the future. At some point, the cheapest hydrogen will be produced by excessive power from wind/solar floating farms during offpeak hours directly by splitting seawater. China does have a lot of offshore ocean in SCS and ECS and even yellow sea that can be explored here. It's a great way to become a net exporter of energy product, cheap energy product.
 

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The other one to watch out for is Longi. In many ways, Longi has a similar strategy to MingYang, use its leading renewable energy technology to transform into Hydrogen fuel. In a future that maybe 30 years away, the largest fuel/energy exporters will not be countries with hydrocarbons, but rather best technology, most capital, best infrastructure and available land/sea that can turn solar/wind potential into cheap green hydrogen, ammonia & methanol fuel.

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It said the standard ALK Hi1 electrolyzer can achieve an energy content of 4.3 kWh per normal cubic meter (Nm3) with a full-load DC power source. It claimed that its ALK Hi1 Plus version can achieve an energy content of 4.1 kWh/Nm3, or even as low as 4.0 kWh/Nm3, at a current density of 2500 A/m2.

Li Can, a researcher from the
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(CAS), said that electrolyzers now on the market can achieve an average energy content of 4.5-4.6 kWh/Nm3.

“If renewable energy can deliver power at around CNY0.2 ($0.03)/kWh, Longi's electrolyzer can produce hydrogen at CNY1 per cubic meter which is close to hydrogen from coal,” he said.
Would be very impressive if true. Right now, they are basically getting all their H2 from coal, which is extremely bad for environment. If they can ramp up production and replace coal, it would be great for the environment.
 

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The other one to watch out for is Longi. In many ways, Longi has a similar strategy to MingYang, use its leading renewable energy technology to transform into Hydrogen fuel. In a future that maybe 30 years away, the largest fuel/energy exporters will not be countries with hydrocarbons, but rather best technology, most capital, best infrastructure and available land/sea that can turn solar/wind potential into cheap green hydrogen, ammonia & methanol fuel.

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Would be very impressive if true. Right now, they are basically getting all their H2 from coal, which is extremely bad for environment. If they can ramp up production and replace coal, it would be great for the environment.
This article here just shows how efficient this new electrolyzer is compared to it Western competitors.
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Another thing people don't think about is capital and R&D capabilities. Longi has deep pocket. It is the world's largest producer of solar wafers and solar cells. Especially after the new 45.2B RMB production base it is putting into production in Xian next year. That will double its production capabilities here
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From this, it has tremendous deep pocket to invest in its electrolyzer business. I looked at the competitors Nel, sunfire and McPhy and they are all tiny and losing huge amount of money. They are relying on investment to keep going. Just as importantly, their markets are in Europe where there is just not as much available land and ocean for green hydrogen production. Longi will have vast land in Inner Mongolia and Gobi desert and deep relationship with Sinopec to build humongous green hydrogen production plants.
 

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Just as importantly, their markets are in Europe where there is just not as much available land and ocean for green hydrogen production
Sure that's a problem, but the article mentioned that the European manufacturers are lobbying for "Made in Europe" criteria. That would effectively allow these companies to grow without fearing Chinese competition.

If the US adopts something similar we would be talking about the entire Western world becoming basically off-limits for the Chinese manufacturers. Its not happening now, but I am certainly sure that Europe won't allow a Solar Industry collapse 2 shambles to happen again

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European hydrogen electrolyser makers call upon EU to introduce 'Made in Europe' requirements to protect them against cheaper Chinese imports​

 

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Sure that's a problem, but the article mentioned that the European manufacturers are lobbying for "Made in Europe" criteria. That would effectively allow these companies to grow without fearing Chinese competition.

If the US adopts something similar we would be talking about the entire Western world becoming basically off-limits for the Chinese manufacturers. Its not happening now, but I am certainly sure that Europe won't allow a Solar Industry collapse 2 shambles to happen again

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I think US and EU are two different situations. The IRA subsidies for Hydrogen fuel is ridiculously high -> $3/kg. That may be good for a few years, but just reduces the need for innovation and such. With so much of America against the "green agenda", it's hard to see how the fossil fuel industry loses out anytime soon.

For EU, they can limit competition as much as they want, but the future global green hydrogen market is humongous and EU is only a small part of it. Taking additional subsidies will simply make them uncompetitive in all the international markets. Longer term, the big market is not electrolyzer itself, but rather green hydrogen production. Europe with limited available land will have to buy green fuel from other countries. That's where the money will be made. Think about the day when green fuel is cheaper than oil/gas, China with its large fleet of methanol/ammonia carriers will be shipping these things and selling them everywhere.
 

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Keep in mind that being able to produce green hydrogen at low cost is a great thing if you are a hydrocarbon company. Sinopec has invested heavily in green hydrogen recently.

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Now it expects 60% of its hydrogen consumption to come from green sources by 2025! (that would be around 2 million tons)

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And it has its own hydrogen strategy to deal with the transition to carbon neutral future.
He added that by 2025, Sinopec will increase the number of hydrogen refilling stations to 1000, from 74 now, which will be able to supply 200,000 tpa of hydrogen. Other initiatives include building 7000 photovoltaic generation stations for electric vehicle charging.
Makes a lot of sense for Sinopec given its extensive use of hydrogen in its various chemical plants. Replacing grey with green is a big win.

In the future, all these companies that have to do so much exploration and importing of oil/natural gas can just build green hydrogen site and sell its own production abroad.

China has so much unused dessert area that could use solar panels and get connected to produce green hydrogen instead of having to build those really long high voltage cables that loose efficiency along the way to the East coast.
 

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Chinese companies grabbing record 91% of capex in solar industry in 2022. Which means, China's production and expansion capacity continue to outstrip rest of the world and that it's solar dominance is only growing
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Longi showcasing its Hi-Mo 6 modules for consumer market in Moroccos
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Longi signing MOU with Uzbekistan for PV tech (I think Uzbek delegation visited 3 times in 1 week!)
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Jiangxi solar looking to setup plant in Uzbekistan
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Good article here on the growing dominance of Longi in solar industry and it's participation in green hydrogen. Huge capex, R&D and many records set. It has the world's most efficient HJT cell at 26.81% in conversion
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Before the collapse of Suntech, which was the biggest in China, there were Jingko and Canadian, but never Longi was never in the top ten in the world. I never expected a dark horse to carry the torch for China and went on to become the biggest in the world.
 

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Interesting, huge jump in rooftop solar installations last year
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They think there is room for 1000GW to be installed. Now, I think this is where China's practice of building new stuff constantly will help. It's a lot easier to put solar panels on roof of new buildings than old buildings, since you can get it connected to your power from the start.

Also interesting that they are saying this is help revitalizing countryside. That's something I didn't think about but having almost free electricity for large part of the year does help.
 
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