Chinese Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUV)

mister unknown

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Wouldn't the cable just get caught on something & break off, especially if they had to go deep? This doesn't sound very practical, unless the 2 vessels are within a couple hundred meters of each other.
 

tphuang

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interesting enough, recently Shilao's folks have talked about something like DeepSeek in UUVs to use sonar readings to determine whether the targets are large enemy ships or something else. About how much human intelligence is involved in ASW from submarines. About how hard it is how something like UUV vs UAV vs UGVs since communication with UUVs are a lot harder and we need far more intelligence for UUVs to operate autonomously further away.
 

vincent

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interesting enough, recently Shilao's folks have talked about something like DeepSeek in UUVs to use sonar readings to determine whether the targets are large enemy ships or something else. About how much human intelligence is involved in ASW from submarines. About how hard it is how something like UUV vs UAV vs UGVs since communication with UUVs are a lot harder and we need far more intelligence for UUVs to operate autonomously further away.
Probably more equivalent to image/pattern recognition instead of reasoning models since submarines are dealing with sound patterns.
 

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HI Sutton vid on new UUV:

Still pretty large to be a UUV. Never the less, it is fascinating to see China either testing or producing all of kinds military platforms and machines. It shows how advance and healthy the program are doing in China. Like I said before...it's...all...about...the...program. :)
 

iewgnem

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Still pretty large to be a UUV. Never the less, it is fascinating to see China either testing or producing all of kinds military platforms and machines. It shows how advance and healthy the program are doing in China. Like I said before...it's...all...about...the...program. :)
I like how China clearly has the the world's most active and well funded submarine program producing advanced designs left and right, but there are people who still think Chinese SSNs are more noisy than American SSNs designed in the 80s and 90s.
 

mister unknown

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interesting enough, recently Shilao's folks have talked about something like DeepSeek in UUVs to use sonar readings to determine whether the targets are large enemy ships or something else. About how much human intelligence is involved in ASW from submarines. About how hard it is how something like UUV vs UAV vs UGVs since communication with UUVs are a lot harder and we need far more intelligence for UUVs to operate autonomously further away.

Would a UUV need something so complicated like DeepSeek? It's not trying to answer every question imaginable in life, it's only performing a few tasks, such as detecting & recognizing sounds first & foremost. I'd imagine something roughly akin to a natural language processing model would suffice, except it'll be natural SOUND processing.
 

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I like how China clearly has the the world's most active and well funded submarine program producing advanced designs left and right, but there are people who still think Chinese SSNs are more noisy than American SSNs designed in the 80s and 90s.
Unlike the rest of the PLAN's programs, its nuclear sub program has (until recently) moved at a glacial pace comparatively, so it should not come as any kind of surprise if the 093 series is not up to current state of the art. Though the 093 has probably been able to be improved by multiple generations of submarine technology with its multiple iterations from its noisy initial version, I think it would not be unreasonable to guess that the 093B is still in the neighborhood of or perhaps somewhat quieter than the 688i, while it remains for the 095 to finally achieve Seawolf/Virginia acoustic levels. I'm no sub designer but I would guess there's not much quieting left to be done after that, once you get below ambient ocean acoustic levels at tactically useful speeds.
 

iewgnem

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Unlike the rest of the PLAN's programs, its nuclear sub program has (until recently) moved at a glacial pace comparatively, so it should not come as any kind of surprise if the 093 series is not up to current state of the art. Though the 093 has probably been able to be improved by multiple generations of submarine technology with its multiple iterations from its noisy initial version, I think it would not be unreasonable to guess that the 093B is still in the neighborhood of or perhaps somewhat quieter than the 688i, while it remains for the 095 to finally achieve Seawolf/Virginia acoustic levels. I'm no sub designer but I would guess there's not much quieting left to be done after that, once you get below ambient ocean acoustic levels at tactically useful speeds.
Or maybe a ball's motion does not cease the moment it disapear behind the couch.

Maybe the country that built the largest SSN/SSBN yard in history did not skip R&D, maybe they just skipped advertising

Maybe the country that built the worlds first and 2nd 6th gen fighter did not forget about SSN development nor lack resources to do so, maybe they just remembered the primiary attribute of submarine is people not knowing it exist
 

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Or maybe a ball's motion does not cease the moment it disapear behind the couch.
Nothing disappeared behind any couches.

Here's a timeline of the USN's development of SSNs:
Nautilus/Seawolf 1954/1957
Skate 1957
Skipjack 1959
Permit 1961
Sturgeon 1967
Los Angeles 1976
688i 1988
Seawolf 1997
Virginia 2004
You could make a case for Seawolf and Virginia sharing the same technology level, but that's still 8 generations of SSN technological advancement.

Meanwhile here's the PLAN's timeline of SSN development:
091 1974
093 2006
093A 2015
093B 2022
Even if you count each of these 093 iterations as entire separate generations of submarine technology (like the 688i), that's still only 4 generations vs USN's 8 or 9 generations.

You would have to believe that the PLAN's submarine was spectacular enough to skip a generation each generation, which is not totally unreasonable, but even if you do you've got something like

Nautilus/Seawolf - 091
Skipjack - 093
Sturgeon - 093A
688i - 093B
Seawolf/Virginia - 095

Lastly, you really have to ask yourself: if 093B already has what the PLAN wants in a state of the art sub, why is there even a 095 program???

Maybe the country that built the largest SSN/SSBN yard in history did not skip R&D, maybe they just skipped advertising
Not sure what you mean by advertising, but the 091 and 093 and 093A and 093B dates of commission are fairly well known to everyone, even us military enthusiasts. Nobody knows of any other PLAN sub classes. Hard to "advertise" what you don't actually have, no?

Maybe the country that built the worlds first and 2nd 6th gen fighter did not forget about SSN development nor lack resources to do so, maybe they just remembered the primiary attribute of submarine is people not knowing it exist.
Should I bust out the pom-poms now? This sentence does not have anything to do with anything, much less the timeline of the PLAN's submarine programs. If you want to theorize some unknown classes of PLAN SSNs that nobody knows actually exist, you're welcome to speculate on such things. But in the real life the rest of us just take what we know.
 
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