Chinese UAV/UCAV development

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Given the first blurry pics of the Y-20 made it look fatter than it was, it's hard to tell what this one really looks like. I agree this so far doesn't look like any of the RC models seen so far but clearer pics will determine it. For all we know it could be that "Harrier" UAV posted earlier.

I'm reading they're saying this is "long range." Is that more distance or endurance or both? Is there some standard on what long range is for a UAV or is it relative? Soar Dragon is being compared with Global Hawk as HALE UAVs yet the latter seems to perform better.



Here's wider shot of that. I'm not sure whose navy is being attacked.

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Looks like a combination of DF-21 and UAV attacks. Doubt that the UCAV would fly this low in real life though.

Any idea what happened to the Darksword UCAV???
 

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Well remember when Dark Sword first surfaced there was speculation because of the ram scoop-like intake it was a scramjet. If that's the case we wil probably not see it or anything it was based on for a while.
 

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Said to be first blur image of Chinese version of X-47B. More coming as per common practice how China reveal their new hardware. Also said to have taxi test same day as Y-20 maiden flight.
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The aicraft in question in this rather blurry image actually looks to have more in common with the Lockheed Sentinel, even down to the fairings on the inboard upper wings to accomodate the twin very large optical sensors. Given the complete lack of correlation of the configuration with any previous subscale demonstrator flying wing designs that have come out of China, is there a possibility that this is in fact a picture of the aircraft that was lost by the US over Iran or a photo taken at one of the US operational bases in Afghanistan? After all, that is how the existence of Sentinel was outed in the first instance. One of the real oddities of the picture is the very large pixalation surround the aircraft relative to the relatively constant though grained pixalation of the aircraft itself. Alternative explanations might be worth a bit of consideration before leaping too far with this one
 

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Interesting the report mentions export of UAVs falls under the Missile Technology Control Regime rules. The US wants to sell Global Hawks to other countries. Isn't that like selling an ICBM?

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China's Drone Swarms Rise to Challenge US Power
By Jeremy Hsu, TechNewsDaily Senior Writer | LiveScience.com

China is building one of the world's largest drone fleets aimed at expanding its military reach in the Pacific and swarming U.S. Navy carriers in the unlikely event of a war, according to a new report.

The Chinese military — known as the People's Liberation Army (PLA) — envisions its drone swarms scouting out battlefields, guiding missile strikes and overwhelming opponents through sheer numbers. China's military-industrial complex has created a wide array of homegrown drones to accomplish those goals over the past decade, according to the report released by the Project 2049 Institute on March 11.

"The PLA now fields one of the world's most expansive UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] fleets," said Ian Easton and L.C. Russell Hsiao, researchers at the Project 2049 Institute and authors of the new report.

U.S. military forces still operate the largest drone fleet, with at least 679 drones in 2012, according to data from the International Institute for Strategic Studies reported by the Guardian. But the new Project 2049 Institute report estimates that China had 280 military drones as of mid-2011 — a number that has likely grown since then.

Chinese military drones have already entered the frontlines of China's territorial disputes with neighboring countries such as Japan by flying maritime patrols over disputed areas. The Project 2049 Institute report warned that China could be tempted to use drones more aggressively without risking human lives, or even consider "plausibly deniable" drone attacks blamed upon mechanical failure or cyberhackers.

Chinese strategists have also discussed using swarms of drones to overwhelm the U.S. Navy's carrier groups in the unlikely possibility of a shooting war. The drones could act as decoys, use electronic warfare to jam communications and radar, guide missile strikes on carriers, fire missiles at U.S. Navy ships or dive into ships like kamikaze robots. [Video: RoboBees: Design Poses Intriguing Engineering Challenges]

"In particular, numerous authoritative studies indicate a strong emphasis on developing UAVs for locating, tracking and targeting U.S. aircraft carriers in support of long range anti-ship cruise and ballistic missile strikes," the Project 2049 Institute report says.

All the main branches of the Chinese military field operational drone units. The new report identifies those military units along with major academic, industry and military organizations involved in building Chinese drones.

The report goes on to examine the state of Chinese drone technology. China is developing drones such as the rumored "Dark Sword" stealth drone that have low radar profiles to escape radar detection. It also wants to build "space" drones that could loiter at heights of 31 miles (50 kilometers) above the Earth to provide constant surveillance. (Scientists typically consider 62 miles (100 km) to mark the boundary for the edge of space.)

Chinese engineers have even begun working on drones that have the software brains to fly in formation, do aerial refueling and takeoff and land autonomously — capabilities that the U.S. military has also developed or begun testing for its own drones.

The risk of war between the U.S. and China remains low. But the report cautions that the U.S. military could prepare for the worst-case scenario by hardening its existing air bases in Asia and developing energy weapons (such as lasers) for better air and missile defense.

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Interesting the report mentions export of UAVs falls under the Missile Technology Control Regime rules. The US wants to sell Global Hawks to other countries. Isn't that like selling an ICBM?

I still think energy weapons such as lasers as indicated by the article is still in its infant stage of research and development to become a viable weapon.
 

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The Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Project: Organizational Capacities and Operational Capabilities:
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Revolutionary advances in unmanned technologies and the prospects offered by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in surveillance, targeting and attack appear to have captured the attention of senior civilian and defense officials in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Given the PRC’s expanding strategic interests, and the associated requirement for an improved command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (C4ISR) infrastructure, UAVs represent a transformational capability for the Chinese military.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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China investing in destabilising UAV capabilities: report
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By: GREG WALDRON SINGAPORE 09:09 12 Mar 2013 Source:

A report by the Project 2049 Institute contends that Beijing has made considerable strides in its development of unmanned air vehicles (UAVs).

"The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) appears to be fielding operational UAV capabilities that could have significant future regional security implications," says the 15-page report.

"In order to support China's efforts to become a world-class leader in unmanned technology, the PLA has developed an extensive and organisationally complex UAV infrastructure over the past decade."

It estimates that China fields 280 UAVs, with this number to "increase significantly" in the coming years.

The authors sourced information for the report mainly from materials that are publicly available in Chinese. Aside from detailing the various organisations involved in China's development of UAVs, the report forecasts possible UAV tactics, particularly the future role of UAVs in a conflict with the USA.

"This should be of particular concern to the US Navy because according to several military-technical materials reviewed for this study, PLA operational thinkers and scientists envision attacking US aircraft carrier battle groups with swarms of multi-mission UAVs in the event of conflict," says the report.

Chinese thinkers see long-range UAVs serving a number of roles in any anti-access/aerial denial campaign against the USA. Early in the conflict, decoy UAVs would be deployed, tricking US fighters and warships into expending valuable anti-aircraft missiles. This would be followed by waves of UAVs equipped for electronic warfare, jamming communications and radar. Simultaneously, other UAVs would mount kinetic attacks against both US airborne early warning & control aircraft and warships.

UAVs would play an integral role in guiding cruise missiles and anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) attacks against US naval assets. Although the status of China's DF-21D ASBM is unclear, it is a source of serious concern for US defence planners. The DF-21D would theoretically be able to strike a carrier (or other major warship) directly, or shower them with bomblets. A rain of high-explosive bomblets would be catastrophic on an aircraft carrier's deck.

At the Airshow China in Zhuhai in 2010 and 2012, the China Aerospace Science and Industrial Corp stand showed a model of a large UAV designated the WJ-600. A mural in 2010 showed a WJ-600 attacking US Navy Arleigh Burke destroyers with anti-ship missiles, as well as guiding missiles from shore-based batteries.

"The PLA has developed one of the largest and most organisationally complex UAV programmes in the world," says the report.

"This programme includes national-level organisations tasked with developing joint UAV mission requirements; a massive military-industrial design, research and development, and production infrastructure; and a growing number of operational UAV units spread across every service branch of the Chinese armed forces."
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