Chinese UAV/UCAV development

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asn-209 first appear in the early 80's partly inlucence by the israel use of drone during the bekaa valley.it was first mention aviaition week in 1983.
 

DennisFetters

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UAV development is China is exploding. It is lagging behind in the USA due to government regulations to stagnate development.


Dennis, welcome to the board. Just for my own edification is your assessment based on UAVs in general or specifically just on the commercial side of things?
You mentioned UAVs.. does it include UCAVs as well? I don't see any stagnation in the US military side of things. Perhaps you can share your thoughts since you are in the industry.

Thank you for your welcome, most appreciated.

My comment is in general I would have to say. I worked on UAV's in the USA back in 2003. The only ones interested was the military, and that is limited to super expensive projects. We are doing the same job here for pennies to the Dollar. As soon as the US civilian market started to become interested, the government slapped a bunch of sales and export regulations on us. Now the development and sales are very limited, in my opinion, and that is why I made that statement.

To continue my UAV research legally and unrestrained, I moved all designing and development work into China. I do not import any US technology or materials from outside China. Where I'm lacking in technology, I develop it here in China, and they are happy to assist.

I have not been dealing in UCAV vehicles, although I am not restricted to do so by US laws while in China. I know I could develop a heavy-lift UCAV here in China and make available to the US procurement agencies that can provide a $2,000,000 VTOLUCAV that can do the same job as the $8,000,000 Fire Scout. That should make the tax payers happy!

Mr. Dennis L. Fetters
Technical Director of VTOL Vehicles

Hubei Ewatt Technology Co., LTD.
High-Technical Building, #6
Jiang'an District, 430010
Wuhan, Hubei, P.R. China

Phone: 86-27-85884070
 

tphuang

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Thank you for your welcome, most appreciated.

My comment is in general I would have to say. I worked on UAV's in the USA back in 2003. The only ones interested was the military, and that is limited to super expensive projects. We are doing the same job here for pennies to the Dollar. As soon as the US civilian market started to become interested, the government slapped a bunch of sales and export regulations on us. Now the development and sales are very limited, in my opinion, and that is why I made that statement.

To continue my UAV research legally and unrestrained, I moved all designing and development work into China. I do not import any US technology or materials from outside China. Where I'm lacking in technology, I develop it here in China, and they are happy to assist.

I have not been dealing in UCAV vehicles, although I am not restricted to do so by US laws while in China. I know I could develop a heavy-lift UCAV here in China and make available to the US procurement agencies that can provide a $2,000,000 VTOLUCAV that can do the same job as the $8,000,000 Fire Scout. That should make the tax payers happy!

Mr. Dennis L. Fetters
Technical Director of VTOL Vehicles

Hubei Ewatt Technology Co., LTD.
High-Technical Building, #6
Jiang'an District, 430010
Wuhan, Hubei, P.R. China

Phone: 86-27-85884070

Welcome to the board, Dennis!

I remember reading about you on aviation weeks a while ago.

Good to hear from someone who works in the industry posting here.

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Just out of curiosity, do you have American or Chinese engineers working under you on these projects or are you doing all the designing yourself?
 

Hendrik_2000

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Welcome to the board, Dennis!

I remember reading about you on aviation weeks a while ago.

Good to hear from someone who works in the industry posting here.

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Just out of curiosity, do you have American or Chinese engineers working under you on these projects or are you doing all the designing yourself?

Welcome Dennis I remember clearly I post an article about your work in China and someone here make sarcastic remark about a story from Wiki that you were pursuit by law suit in US because of failed experimental UAV. I did defend your honor by saying that only thru making mistake can people advance. Case in Point Steve Job with his Lisa and Macintosh.

Please provide us with the your side of the story thank a bunch and let those skeptic know
 
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I know the response to this post is a little late, but the information I'll post is new.

Since this is my first post here, I can't post links or pictures yet.

I am the designer of the SVU-200 UAV helicopter for Sunward Tech, and now I'm partnered with Hubei Ewatt Technology Co., LTD. to develop larger UAV's. We are signing an agreement with Yotaisc to redesign their X200 into an operational vehicle, along with supplying them with our new 300kg+ payload capable UAV helicopter that I'm now designing called the Defiant.
Welcone aboard, Dennis!

GREAT work on the SVU-200! I especially like this video, which includes numerous tests leading up to autonomous flight.


[video=youtube;lr8-TEn2b08]http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=lr8-TEn2b08[/video]

Very interesting comparison of the SUV-200 to the Grumman MQ-8 Fire Scout shown here testing aboard the USS McInerney, a US Navy Oliver Hazard Perry Class guided missile frigate.


[video=youtube;dLEL3QMgQAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLEL3QMgQAs[/video]

The Fire Scout has since been deployed to Aghanistan and other places, particularly at sea taking part in anti-piracy operations.

Do you see the SVU-200, or a larger, follow-on project developing into this type of capability in China?

The US military currently has over 30 of the Fire Scouts and is planning on procuring well over 150 I believe.
 

kwaigonegin

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Welcone aboard, Dennis!

GREAT work on the SVU-200! I especially like this video, which includes numerous tests leading up to autonomous flight.


[video=youtube;lr8-TEn2b08]http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=lr8-TEn2b08[/video]

Very interesting comparison of the SUV-200 to the Grumman MQ-8 Fire Scout shown here testing aboard the USS McInerney, a US Navy Oliver Hazard Perry Class guided missile frigate.


[video=youtube;dLEL3QMgQAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLEL3QMgQAs[/video]

The Fire Scout has since been deployed to Aghanistan and other places, particularly at sea taking part in anti-piracy operations.

Do you see the SVU-200, or a larger, follow-on project developing into this type of capability in China?

The US military currently has over 30 of the Fire Scouts and is planning on procuring well over 150 I believe.

If he can make a FireScout equivalent or better for $2 mil for China while the US tax payers pays $8 mil for FireScout then good on them and shame on us for being stupid and fiscally irresponsible.
 

Jeff Head

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If he can make a FireScout equivalent or better for $2 mil for China while the US tax payers pays $8 mil for FireScout then good on them and shame on us for being stupid and fiscally irresponsible.
Well, there is no doubt that the labor costs will be less. And in addition, the regulations our manufacturing has to work under given the mandates for labor, safety, environmental concerns, etc. also drive up the costs a lot.

Do not get me wrong, those things are necessary...but lets just say we have gone way overboard on them...beyond reason and common sense...when a plant contruction can be stopped because of some mite that may be in the dirt, or when every conceivable place has may have to have disability access when a disabled person would never work in those areas in the first place. Things like that.

In addition, the MQ-8 Fire Scout at this point is much more capable in terms of its weapons systems, sensors and interface. Whether the Chinese will get equivalent capability for the $2 million is yet to be seen. I have worked in Project Management for a long time, and on weapons systems, the intial estimates by the designer (and I have made a few of my onw) rarely end up being the final cost. Very rarely.

Time will tell.
 

TyroneG

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Is stealth UAV Vulnerable to EM Bomb?

I can see this scenario, a large group of stealthy UAV is launched for mission. Of course, they are stealthy and hard to pin point. But what if EM Bombs are explode near vincinity and the signals are Jammed.

UAV has no Manuel override and lost of control signals means they will fall out of the sky since no one inside the plane to control it?

Normal plane if signals are Jammed, the pilot can manually fly the plane back home but that's not the case with UAV.

Is that a Vulnerable aspect of the UAV?
 
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