Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

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asif iqbal

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

at the end of the day it is not a "unique" solution, but Pakistan has to adopt a "make more of what you have" stratedgy, very similar to what Israel does, and it does it very well

Pakistan is outnumbered by a huge ratio, in land, manpower, equipment and budget, simply cant match "gun for gun" with India, so the alternative is to use what we have for more than one purpose

for example the 4 x IL-78 refuelers we got from Ukarine, they are actually part of MRTT (Multi-Role Tanker Transport) based at Chakala airbase which is home to the PAFs transport hub of C130 Cargos, the IL-78 have removable fuel tanks which can be removed in under 45 mins to use the IL-78 as a pretty good transporters, so dual purpose so to speak

JF17 Thunder is a multi-role platform, and gaugeing by its vast array of different weapons systems it can be used for ground attack, air superiority, naval and in general almost anything else PAF needs it for

so its no different for the K-8, its a good trainer but why have it sitting on the tarmac when in time of war it could be doing a job bombing the enemy

US has said it will open the Super Cobra AH-1 attack helo to Pakistan after 2015, that is a long time away and we might not get them in the numbers we need anyway and the other opition for T-129 from Turkey is still years away from full scale production and Turkey has a urgent need for T-129 for itself anyway hence delaying any exports, infact AgustaWestland will deliver the first 9 T-129 to Turkish army before Turkey even starts its own production
 
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franco-russe

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

You may remember that in 1967 the Israelis even used their Fouga Magisters in their great air offensive against Egypt.
 
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A.Man

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

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This rumor says: PLAAF ordered 300 L-15's & PLANAF ordered another 100 L-15's. It also said, Hongdu has 187 L-15 foreign orders.
 
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Lion

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A.Man said:
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This rumor says: PLAAF ordered 300 L-15's & PLANAF ordered another 100 L-15's. It also said, Hongdu has 187 L-15 foreign orders.
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From which source??? By the way, L-15 indeed has the potential for domestic and foreign export order. But let just wait and see how.
 
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Lion

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

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L-15 Serial production coming soon?

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Ukraine is delivering the first batch of AI-222-25F engines for new Chinese L-15 trainer airplanes.
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This is good news, L-15 trainer has been delay for so long. FInally, it kickstart the service. I think the financial hardship on Ukrarine has some benefit on CHina military.. The domestic QC-280 gas turbine engine can happen is also becos Ukarine is willing to co-produce and tech transfer to China which now Type052C destroyer is able to produce in large number.

AI-222-25F engine will no doubt be also co-produce in China under different destination. I heard Ukarine Air Force may also order certain amount of L-15.

As for the price of USD 10 million, looks abit surprise given all the while its was under the impression it is a expensive trainer of USD15- 20 million price tag.
 
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Lion

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A.Man said:
Hongdu May Export 12 L-15's This Year. The Listed Price of L-15 is in between 70-80 million yuan of RMB.

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Hongdu Aviation Industry Group chief economist of First Financial on April 25, Yang Liping said that listed companies Hongdu Aviation (600316.SH) Falcon L15 advanced trainer aircraft involved in the investment and development planned for this year delivered in 12 Latin American and African market, which is the first time that the models exported to foreign markets.

Are Aviation Industry Group chief economist of First Financial on April 25, Yang Liping, said that the currently listed companies Hongdu Aviation (600316.SH) Falcon L15 advanced trainer aircraft involved in the investment and development planned for this year delivered in 12 Latin American and African markets This is the model exported to foreign markets for the first time.
Yang Liping is made during the Fourth China's aviation industry to create international summit ". Hongdu Aviation is an enterprise specialized in producing domestic coach aircraft and general aviation aircraft; Previously, the company's main product is the intermediate trainer K8 aircraft now account for more than 75% of similar aircraft market share.
Understanding, according to First Financial, L15 aircraft both in unit price or profit margin, compared to the K8 aircraft to be much higher. Catalog price of about a L15 aircraft in 7000-8000 million can be achieved this year 12 L15 aircraft, first delivery orders totaling nearly 960 million yuan, which is equivalent Hongdu Aviation in 2011, 1.825 billion yuan of revenue 54.79 %.
Hongdu Aviation 2011 Annual Report, the year the net profit of 83.37 million yuan. According to the company in 2012, a quarterly, the first three months of this year cumulative net loss of 29.4775 million yuan loss per share of $ 0.0411.
In this regard, Yang Liping, said that the performance loss was mainly due to product deliveries due to a decrease in the first quarter. He also pointed out that the aviation manufacturing enterprises in the first quarter deliveries will be less to the third quarter will be the fast delivery channel; demand prospects of the company related products this year is acceptable, expected full-year performance should Hongdu Aviation stronger than last year.
Yang Liping further revealed that the trainer related products accounted for about three-quarters of the company's total revenue income; continue to expand the trainer field, the company also increased the expansion of agriculture, forestry and aircraft general aviation manufacturing, agriculture, forestry and aircraft to improve the development, in order to expand domestic and foreign markets.
, Hongdu Aviation and 7 of the Xi'an Aircraft Industry Group, China National Aviation Aircraft Company, the Jiangxi Provincial Investment Group jointly set up a the Hongdu commercial aircraft, the main domestic and international commercial aircraft parts, components design, development, production, sales, maintenance and services, and aviation products subcontract production.
In this connection, Yang Liping said, the Hongdu fly has received the product for large aircraft C919 aircraft fuselage contract to supply Boeing 747-8 aircraft parts is expected to the relevant body parts can be achieved in March 2013 the first deliveries.
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If this is true, JF-17 export prospect will be very low...
 
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