Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

pendragon

Junior Member
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

Yes, my fault, got a bit messed up reading different articles on two seat J10 and JL15 trainer in the late hours.
mea culpa !
 

KYli

Brigadier
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

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Briefing: China set to bid on major US aerospace programmes

Chinese President Hu Jintao's high-profile visit to the US looks set to be followed by ambitious bids from China to supply platforms to meet two major US military aircraft procurement programmes.

State-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) is preparing proposals, in partnership with existing partner US aviation services group US Aerospace (USAE), to bid for the US Navy's VXX helicopter programme and the US Air Force T-X project to procure advanced jet trainers (AJT).

A lawyer who represents USAE in its dealings with AVIC, John C Kirkland – a partner at California law firm Luce Forward -–revealed to Jane's on 21 January that in both proposals AVIC would supply what would be regarded as civilian aircraft platforms that would be upgraded in the US with military avionics and, in the case of the T-X, a fire control system. Such manufacturing programmes would be facilitated under a USAE-AVIC strategic partnership that was formed in September 2010.

VXX

In the VXX programme, which was revived by Washington in February 2010 after being cancelled in 2009 because of cost overruns, the partnership are planning to bid with AVIC's 13-tonne AC-313 medium-lift transport helicopter, which is principally designed for civilian use. In the T-X programme, the bid would focus on AVIC's twin-engine L-15 Falcon AJT. In addition, USAE and AVIC are planning to market the Chinese-produced C919 jet airliner in the US as a business jet as well as a regional aircraft.

The VXX programme is worth about USD6 billion and, if USAE-AVIC bids for the contract, it is likely to be up against the AgustaWestland AW101 and the Sikorsky S-92 medium-lift helicopters. The USN is expected to procure more than 20 platforms to replace the existing Sikorsky VH-3 and VH-60 helicopters from around 2017.
 

siegecrossbow

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

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Briefing: China set to bid on major US aerospace programmes

Chinese President Hu Jintao's high-profile visit to the US looks set to be followed by ambitious bids from China to supply platforms to meet two major US military aircraft procurement programmes.

State-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) is preparing proposals, in partnership with existing partner US aviation services group US Aerospace (USAE), to bid for the US Navy's VXX helicopter programme and the US Air Force T-X project to procure advanced jet trainers (AJT).

A lawyer who represents USAE in its dealings with AVIC, John C Kirkland – a partner at California law firm Luce Forward -–revealed to Jane's on 21 January that in both proposals AVIC would supply what would be regarded as civilian aircraft platforms that would be upgraded in the US with military avionics and, in the case of the T-X, a fire control system. Such manufacturing programmes would be facilitated under a USAE-AVIC strategic partnership that was formed in September 2010.

VXX

In the VXX programme, which was revived by Washington in February 2010 after being cancelled in 2009 because of cost overruns, the partnership are planning to bid with AVIC's 13-tonne AC-313 medium-lift transport helicopter, which is principally designed for civilian use. In the T-X programme, the bid would focus on AVIC's twin-engine L-15 Falcon AJT. In addition, USAE and AVIC are planning to market the Chinese-produced C919 jet airliner in the US as a business jet as well as a regional aircraft.

The VXX programme is worth about USD6 billion and, if USAE-AVIC bids for the contract, it is likely to be up against the AgustaWestland AW101 and the Sikorsky S-92 medium-lift helicopters. The USN is expected to procure more than 20 platforms to replace the existing Sikorsky VH-3 and VH-60 helicopters from around 2017.

I just want to see the expression on those idiots' faces when the USAF settles for "cheap Chinese reverse engineered crap". Hahahahaha....
 

Semi-Lobster

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Briefing: China set to bid on major US aerospace programmes

Chinese President Hu Jintao's high-profile visit to the US looks set to be followed by ambitious bids from China to supply platforms to meet two major US military aircraft procurement programmes.

State-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) is preparing proposals, in partnership with existing partner US aviation services group US Aerospace (USAE), to bid for the US Navy's VXX helicopter programme and the US Air Force T-X project to procure advanced jet trainers (AJT).

A lawyer who represents USAE in its dealings with AVIC, John C Kirkland – a partner at California law firm Luce Forward -–revealed to Jane's on 21 January that in both proposals AVIC would supply what would be regarded as civilian aircraft platforms that would be upgraded in the US with military avionics and, in the case of the T-X, a fire control system. Such manufacturing programmes would be facilitated under a USAE-AVIC strategic partnership that was formed in September 2010.

VXX

In the VXX programme, which was revived by Washington in February 2010 after being cancelled in 2009 because of cost overruns, the partnership are planning to bid with AVIC's 13-tonne AC-313 medium-lift transport helicopter, which is principally designed for civilian use. In the T-X programme, the bid would focus on AVIC's twin-engine L-15 Falcon AJT. In addition, USAE and AVIC are planning to market the Chinese-produced C919 jet airliner in the US as a business jet as well as a regional aircraft.

The VXX programme is worth about USD6 billion and, if USAE-AVIC bids for the contract, it is likely to be up against the AgustaWestland AW101 and the Sikorsky S-92 medium-lift helicopters. The USN is expected to procure more than 20 platforms to replace the existing Sikorsky VH-3 and VH-60 helicopters from around 2017.

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Also this is hilarious!
 

Lion

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

I wonder what would it be if L-15 flies in American sky.

The Chinese know they will never get the deal. But more or less it shows how confident they have for their aerospace technology to try bid for American deal.

At the same time, they want the Ameican to know how advance a trainer can be design and produce in China. This will more or less translate into their J-20 program.

The theory will be read into this way " If my trainer can be that advance and good. You can imagine how good my latest Stealth Fighter means."
 

Semi-Lobster

Junior Member
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

I'm still surprised they would submit the aircraft though, the L-15 still uses two Ukrainian built AI-222K-25F and as far as I know there have been no plan to indigenise the engine like the JL-8's licensed produced Ivchenko AI-25 TLK, the WS-11 engine
 

siegecrossbow

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I'm still surprised they would submit the aircraft though, the L-15 still uses two Ukrainian built AI-222K-25F and as far as I know there have been no plan to indigenise the engine like the JL-8's licensed produced Ivchenko AI-25 TLK, the WS-11 engine

I think it would be easy enough for the Americans to use their engines. After all the engines being used on the Egyptian K-8s are American engines.
 

johnqh

Junior Member
Re: JL-15 and other trainers

It is a business move.

Of course they won't get the deal, but it opens the doors to negotiate with other countries. For a competitive process, US would have to do a complete testing, and CAC can show the results to other countries as a fair evaluation.
 
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