Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

Semi-Lobster

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Wonder whether China can domestically produce the engines for this plane should the Ukraine situation deteriorate

Considering that Skyrizon of the AECC (Aero Engine Corporation of China)
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as recently as two months ago after the sale of the company was blocked by the Ukrainian government on national security grounds, I don't think China has a domestic engine in the same class as the AI-222. Suffice to say, this arbitration is probably not a big priority in Ukraine right now which will drag out the resolution between the two companies.

It is hard to say if China will fill their future orders with a domestic engine but in all likelihood, probably not anytime soon. From, what I've read, the WS-17 Minshan is still nowhere near ready after all these years, with the L-15 at Dubai last year for example, still flying with the custom modified AI-322 variant of the AI-222 engine.
 

Sabredog

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Considering that Skyrizon of the AECC (Aero Engine Corporation of China)
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as recently as two months ago after the sale of the company was blocked by the Ukrainian government on national security grounds, I don't think China has a domestic engine in the same class as the AI-222. Suffice to say, this arbitration is probably not a big priority in Ukraine right now which will drag out the resolution between the two companies.

It is hard to say if China will fill their future orders with a domestic engine but in all likelihood, probably not anytime soon. From, what I've read, the WS-17 Minshan is still nowhere near ready after all these years, with the L-15 at Dubai last year for example, still flying with the custom modified AI-322 variant of the AI-222 engine.
What opcions have China whit the engines? For them self, maybe, can used the same engine for the Yak 130, but for the export?
 

Atomicfrog

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What opcions have China whit the engines? For them self, maybe, can used the same engine for the Yak 130, but for the export?
Russia will sell everything rightnow... so the Russian build ones will probably be available. In any case, not sure that Ukraine will have a functional industry for a couple of years if the war continue, WS-17 will need to work. They have pending order.
 

siegecrossbow

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Interestingly enough the JF-17 uses a Russian plane but is not hit by CAASTA. I wonder how the Ukrainian conflict would impact the situation going forward for JF-17 and, if forced to resort to a Russian alternative, the L-15. I think China has enough engines in stockpile (200 or so) to fulfill the initial order of 16 aircraft.
 

Sabredog

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Curiosamente, el JF-17 usa un avión ruso, pero CAASTA no lo golpea. Me pregunto cómo afectaría el conflicto ucraniano a la situación futura del JF-17 y, si se ve obligado a recurrir a una alternativa rusa, el L-15. Creo que China tiene suficientes motores en reserva (más o menos 200) para cumplir con el pedido inicial de 16 aviones.
but the spare part of this engines? China have this spare part for supply and can do it for a long time? I'm talking about the Ucrania engine
 

siegecrossbow

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but the spare part of this engines? China have this spare part for supply and can do it for a long time? I'm talking about the Ucrania engine

I have no clue. However China could manufacture a lot of components for AL-31 series and do major overhauls by themselves. I assume the same for L-15's engines.
 

lcloo

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Looks like the engines are made in both Ukraine and Russia. Yak-130 is using the same type of engine as L15.

So this means there shouldn't be a major problem for L15's future productions. China can buy from Russia, or Ukraine may offer license production to counter sales from Russia.

The development of the engine started at
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of
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,
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in 1999. The engine was originally intended for the
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trainer aircraft. An after-burning version, the AI-222-25F (from Russian/Ukrainian "Форсаж", meaning
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) is also available with thrust vectoring. In 2015 Russian manufacturer
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began to produce AI-222-25 without any Ukrainian involvement.
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