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Apparently, Kitty Hawk is out on exercise with the JSDF right now...
Apparently, Kitty Hawk is out on exercise with the JSDF right now...
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Re: Chinese sub thread
A diesel sub can passively locate then track a fleet. Using its sonars you can plot projected courses of the target fleet then lay an intercept path against these courses. The fact that exercises are done on a box or corridor would help the sub. But in wartime without any boxes to confine a carrier I don't think of would work that easily. A nuclear carrier is faster than any sub. Still the sub does not need to be in light torpedo range to do its damage. It only needs to be in the range of its antiship missiles and failing that its heavy torpedos which can reach up to 50km.
A diesel sub can passively locate then track a fleet. Using its sonars you can plot projected courses of the target fleet then lay an intercept path against these courses. The fact that exercises are done on a box or corridor would help the sub. But in wartime without any boxes to confine a carrier I don't think of would work that easily. A nuclear carrier is faster than any sub. Still the sub does not need to be in light torpedo range to do its damage. It only needs to be in the range of its antiship missiles and failing that its heavy torpedos which can reach up to 50km.
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Has to be said that for all the alleged 'long' ranges that torpedoes offer, in real world conditions they're always launched at much closer ranges. One can not hide the high frequency sounds made by the torpedo in the water - the target would soon enough know there's a torpedo coming. At 40 or so km, it'd have more than enough time to turn around and flee. Furthermore, those great ranges that are usually quoted around are given for low speeds... for top speeds that torpedoes offer, ranges are usually halved. So, against a military ship kind of target, capable of sprinting over 30 knots, any torpedo launched at over 5-10 km away (depending on the actual torpedo speed, as public data is likely not accurate) could result in a miss.
Has to be said that for all the alleged 'long' ranges that torpedoes offer, in real world conditions they're always launched at much closer ranges. One can not hide the high frequency sounds made by the torpedo in the water - the target would soon enough know there's a torpedo coming. At 40 or so km, it'd have more than enough time to turn around and flee. Furthermore, those great ranges that are usually quoted around are given for low speeds... for top speeds that torpedoes offer, ranges are usually halved. So, against a military ship kind of target, capable of sprinting over 30 knots, any torpedo launched at over 5-10 km away (depending on the actual torpedo speed, as public data is likely not accurate) could result in a miss.
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Song is armed with anti-ship missiles. Any idea how missiles armed sub is affecting ASW tactics or how subs use torpedo ?
I'd imagine missiles will be the first choice of these subs right ? torpedo second ?
Song is armed with anti-ship missiles. Any idea how missiles armed sub is affecting ASW tactics or how subs use torpedo ?
I'd imagine missiles will be the first choice of these subs right ? torpedo second ?
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ASM's are just a tool in the toolbox for submarines. It's a force multiplier in most aspects. With the increasing sensitivity of ship-based sonar systems (both active and passive), they can be detected further out, and with most ASW platforms equipped with ASW helicopters, they can engage submarines from a farther standoff position. If a missile launch is detected, expect a ASW to be right on top of the position hunting for the sub. Missiles can be intercepted and destroyed; furthermore, most warships can withstand missile hits. Torpedoes are a different matter. Take a look around the net of footage of ships being hit by anti ship missiles, then look around for ships being engaged by torpedoes. You will see the answer via the footage. Torpedoes are MUCH more deadlier than missiles as torpedoes will detonate under the ship, creating a pocket of air underneath. The ship then actually drops, breaking the keel, and snaps in half, then sinks. From a naval standpoint, missile hits are a damage control issue, while a torpedo hit is the end for the ship.
ASM's are just a tool in the toolbox for submarines. It's a force multiplier in most aspects. With the increasing sensitivity of ship-based sonar systems (both active and passive), they can be detected further out, and with most ASW platforms equipped with ASW helicopters, they can engage submarines from a farther standoff position. If a missile launch is detected, expect a ASW to be right on top of the position hunting for the sub. Missiles can be intercepted and destroyed; furthermore, most warships can withstand missile hits. Torpedoes are a different matter. Take a look around the net of footage of ships being hit by anti ship missiles, then look around for ships being engaged by torpedoes. You will see the answer via the footage. Torpedoes are MUCH more deadlier than missiles as torpedoes will detonate under the ship, creating a pocket of air underneath. The ship then actually drops, breaking the keel, and snaps in half, then sinks. From a naval standpoint, missile hits are a damage control issue, while a torpedo hit is the end for the ship.
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