Chinese submarines thread

[bd popeye]

Re: Chinese sub thread

About finding Sterling SSK subs:

The Swedish Gotland class submarine leased for training with USN will go out for a new serie of trainingmissions. This time we will encounter USS Ronald Reagan Strike Group. It will be interesting to see if the results will be the same as the first round, but there is no reason to assume anything else. So good luck Swedish vikings and sink that big "penis enlarger" and make us proud

No navy on the Earth can track a SSK with AIP. Nobody.

As a retired member of the US Navy your comments refering to a CVN as a "penis enlarger" are reprehensible. Very insulting. I would never, nor have I ever intenionally insulted any country or member of this forum.

If you could post what the Gotland crew is reporting to the Swedish press. I would greatly apperciate it. The USN is very closed mouth on these excersises and has published no real information.

Thank you.

 

[IDonT]

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No navy on the Earth can track a SSK with AIP. Nobody.

As a retired member of the US Navy your comments refering to a CVN as a "penis enlarger" are reprehensible. Very insulting. I would never, nor have I ever intenionally insulted any country or member of this forum.

If you could post what the Gotland crew is reporting to the Swedish press. I would greatly apperciate it. The USN is very closed mouth on these excersises and has published no real information.

Thank you.

Popeye, is it true that US ASW tactics in prosecuting SSK tend to rely more on active sonar. SSK's tend to be slower and operate in the littorals, it can't out run and the shallow depths does not give it options to hide in different layers. if its general area is know, just ping it with active sonar, you will either find it or drive it out.

 

[bd popeye]

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Popeye, is it true that US ASW tactics in prosecuting SSK tend to rely more on active sonar. SSK's tend to be slower and operate in the littorals, it can't out run and the shallow depths does not give it options to hide in different layers. if its general area is know, just ping it with active sonar, you will either find it or drive it out.

I don't doubt that this method maybe true however I know with the technics the USN uses now they cannot find a SSK. I have a two retired friends that were AW's(avation anti-submarine warfare operators) and as far as they know an SSK is hard if not impossible to find. Of course my son the sonar tech agrees. As we know that's why the USN contracted the Gotland to learn methods to track and kill SSK's.

However...Would a SSK dare venture out of it's littoral haven to pursue a CSG?(carrier strike group) When that CSG can operate hundreds of miles at sea at 30+ knots. The SSK has limited speed when submerged running on batteries. I think the Gotland class can only go 5 knots. Submerged running on batteries. 20 knots when submerged running on deseil power. 11 knots surfaced running on desiels.The best tactic for a SSK is to lay in wait in littoral waters.

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[Sea Dog]

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However...Would a SSK dare venture out of it's littoral haven to pursue a CSG?(carrier strike group) When that CSG can operate hundreds of miles at sea at 30+ knots. The SSK has limited speed when submerged running on batteries. I think the Gotland class can only go 5 knots. Submerged running on batteries. 20 knots when submerged running on deseil power. 11 knots surfaced running on desiels.The best tactic for a SSK is to lay in wait in littoral waters.

Yes sir, Popeye. A diesel sub has virtually no hope of being utilized as an OPFOR unit against a CSG. Unless they got lucky and a CSG ran right into its path. But that's a big 'what-if'. SSK's are just too slow and lack the endurance and firepower to do the job. Not to mention that at speeds of 5 or more knots, they betray their presence alot easier. You're right, in the litttoral's they are indeed dangerous. But in open ocean conflict, they are of little significance.

 

[MIGleader]

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littorals might be a bit limited. i think an ssk could probably do some green water capabilities. with aip, it would indeed pose a threat to ships that are even condierable distances from eachother.
thats why a blue water navy needs sgbns

btw, how is the gotland training going anyways? good?

 

[Sea Dog]

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littorals might be a bit limited. i think an ssk could probably do some green water capabilities. with aip, it would indeed pose a threat to ships that are even condierable distances from eachother.
thats why a blue water navy needs sgbns

btw, how is the gotland training going anyways? good?

Perhaps that's true. But still, no SSK (Even AIP) carries the firepower to do the job. Barring nuke warheads of course. Even Kilo's most dangerous weapon, Klub-S has a 200 kg warhead. Not enough to do serious damage on a carrier. And deeper water is not advantageous to SSK's. Active sonars are much more suited to green or blue water areas of operations. And SSK's are just too slow/limited to be of any significant value here.

I don't know how the Gotland training is going. That's a good question. But you do know that in the exercises that SSK's "snuck" up on US carriers, the US carriers were using boxed environments that basically limited movement to a fixed region of battlespace intended for the exercise. A CSG wouldn't move in a boxed battlespace in real war.

 

[MIGleader]

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well, a 200 kg warhead could probably make a carrier list if it hit in the right area. that would render the entire airwing inopearble.

popeye should know how the trainings going...isnt his son in the u.s sub force?

 

[bd popeye]

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well, a 200 kg warhead could probably make a carrier list if it hit in the right area. that would render the entire airwing inopearble.

popeye should know how the trainings going...isnt his son in the u.s sub force?

He's a surface sonar tech. Not a submariner. He is right now an instructor of advanced sonar technology at the ASW base in San Diego. Humm.. He's getting info but sure as hell ain't passin' it on to Big Daddy! Why? I'm sure it's classified!!!. Last time I asked him he said he did not know what I was talking about then started laughing and said "I don't know..really".

The USN is not putting anything out about excersises except "happy news". The real "meat" of these excersises is classified. That's why I asked Mazepa to post what is being said in the Swedish press...

 

[sumdud]

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Neko could've been a huge help here if the info isn't classified and he's at port.

But as for the 93's AGR (I hope it's not a GCR, that will really be dangerous.....) it'll probably employ only 1 circuit instead of 2. (The water/steam will need pumping.)
By if they are going to eliminate the need of pumps (Not the uninstallment of it, I hope.) They can use the gas's pressure/temperature properties and the way they expand to give a current. Maybe the reactor is put below turbine, so the gas gets heated, expands,and rises toward the turbine. But how'll they prevent "choking", I don't know. I know of no material outside biology that can act as heart valves. (In this case, circuit valve, and I doubt elastic materials are very reliable at this temperature.)

I have a water sand glass. (One of those roman sand glass that has liquid instead.) And apparently, I can hear noises when gas bubbles are passing through the hole, but when the water is going up through the hole, I can hear nothing. (The water sand glass has water, air bubbles, and this blue liquid. The water goes up, the blue liquid goes down, and the air is just inpuridy.) I hope you know what I am saying, but I guess the navies know this already?

 

[Mazepa]

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An official pardon for using the P-word on this forum. I guess it has to do with cultural differences that we often use it for the big power-projecting items they people get in order to intimidate others... As the SUV:s with kangaroo-grills and extralights that is so popular in downtown Stockholm where there are no use for its four wheel drive at all. Or why all old bald men ends up in a Corvette trying to pick up young 20 year old girls... Thats classic "P-word"

I will keep my eyes and ears open for news about the drills. If i find something interesting about the results i will let you all know. From MIL i will be able to get you some nice photos from the drills i hope..