Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

wuguanhui

New Member
Yeah, glad we've at least got that settled lol. I mean, just look at people's taste over the years, what's considered beautiful (pale skin, tanned skin, chubby, skinny, colorful clothing, neutral clothing, etc.), it's constantly changing. Hard power is what begets soft power. That's why two of richest cultures in the world in India and China until recently have only been able to produce a Crouching Tiger here and a Slumdog Millionaire there.

Are people's tastes actually "constantly changing" or merely subject to constant gaslighting by the fashion industry and Hollywood?
 

dingyibvs

Senior Member
Are people's tastes actually "constantly changing" or merely subject to constant gaslighting by the fashion industry and Hollywood?
In the Tang dynasty chubby women were thought to be beautiful, like Consort Yang, not so later on. No Hollywood back then. It doesn't really matter anyway, poor places have no soft power, and that's all the proof you really need.
 

Biscuits

Colonel
Registered Member
Yeah, glad we've at least got that settled lol. I mean, just look at people's taste over the years, what's considered beautiful (pale skin, tanned skin, chubby, skinny, colorful clothing, neutral clothing, etc.), it's constantly changing. Hard power is what begets soft power. That's why two of richest cultures in the world in India and China until recently have only been able to produce a Crouching Tiger here and a Slumdog Millionaire there.
What the fuck are you even talking about.

Indians trying to associate themselves with other cultures is the most disgusting shit. No, this horde of 3rd worlders have not contributed anything that could characterise them as a "rich culture", anymore than their peers in economy and human development like Indonesia or sub saharan Africa have accomplished.

When China was in its nadir in 1945 due to damage from fighting ww2, it was still easily a peer power of the UK, had its own tech, education and more importantly, ability to independently rebuild the nation. Please for God's sake just stay in your own lane together with the other nations of similar stature as India rather than this obnoxious brown nosing through associations crap.
 

dingyibvs

Senior Member
What the fuck are you even talking about.

Indians trying to associate themselves with other cultures is the most disgusting shit. No, this horde of 3rd worlders have not contributed anything that could characterise them as a "rich culture", anymore than their peers in economy and human development like Indonesia or sub saharan Africa have accomplished.

When China was in its nadir in 1945 due to damage from fighting ww2, it was still easily a peer power of the UK, had its own tech, education and more importantly, ability to independently rebuild the nation. Please for God's sake just stay in your own lane together with the other nations of similar stature as India rather than this obnoxious brown nosing through associations crap.
Your disgust is exactly my point. They have thousands of years of history but none of that matters because they've failed to build enough toilets the past few decades.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Your disgust is exactly my point. They have thousands of years of history but none of that matters because they've failed to build enough toilets the past few decades.
sad reality is that a huge% of people don't actually care about the music or movies themselves, they care what they're associated with. 自有大儒为我辩经 and all.

if South Korea or Japan were politically and militarily independent from the US with no other changes in media quality or output, their soft power would ironically decrease, as they'd no longer be palatable forms of American power for Asians, but just some random countries that sell shit to the world. They don't have to be actively suppressed for this to happen. A significant portion of people only consume media for the association with power. They don't care about the quality music or the movies at all. It is like how there are people who don't actually like a type of food, gritting their teeth and forcing themselves to say it tastes good, even as they're obviously struggling to not spit it out, simply because it is from a 'high class' culture.

Look at Vietnamese pop culture as an example. The Vietnamese song 叹 went viral in China last year and brought attention to V-pop. I think that V-pop has significant potential and is objectively quite good. However, I think that only in Vietnam itself and neutral markets like parts of China and ASEAN could V-pop become popular. I don't think even the Vietnamese diaspora listen to it.

Vietnam is independent from the US and relatively poor. So even without suppression people don't want to listen to music that they perceive is from a poor or weak country.
 
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