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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Huh? You're avoiding the question. It is a cruel reality that there is no absolute fairness, but you can't say "this is right" in this kind of thing.
No, I'm not avoiding the question; it wasn't even a question. It was a stupid complaint that there is no absolute fairness in China. There is no absolute fairness anywhere. Find where you think is most fair and go there. There is no perfect government in the world but the CCP is the best. You pick the best to complain about, then you deserve somewhere else. Go there.
You're actually acknowledging that her privilege is justified.
No, personally, I don't tolerate what she did. But the CCP is wiser than me. Regardless, they also can make mistakes. So I'm saying that I don't know if they did this on purpose or if they made a mistake but this is still much better than anywhere else in the world so go somewhere else if you don't like how China works. This is a matter that I cannot judge or intervene in and I'm fine with it.
”childish hate“?She opposes and stigmatizes her own country and people, but she only gets moral condemnation,
Your hate is that someone else got away with talking shit about the country and you're envious that you can't do it as well (while you're doing it here). That's childish to say that in my country, I saw someone else get away with a crime so I hate the fact that I can't as well. It's not childish to hate her. Honestly, I hate her as well.
and those humble people's right to speak will be said by people like you that "You should strive for equal conditions with her".
Your English sucks. This part is completely incoherent.
You make me feel... disgusted.
It's natural. Rotten things always feel disgust deep from within.
What topic are we discussing?
Unfortunately, your childish complaints about lack of total fairness...
“chinese soft power and media discussion”. The core of the question is whether it is reasonable for people like Fang Fang to occupy the most important propaganda position?
How is she in the most important propaganda position? Is she Global Times or Ren Min Ri Bao or CCTV?
I'm afraid the harm she caused in that position is far greater than that of ordinary people,what she has done in the past two years is no different from collaborating with the enemy.
Every time the government "cleans up" the Internet, it will never be lenient, but how can it let such people go?
Yes, I think so, but you are causing more harm and complaining more. As Chinese people, if you are one, we study and work for China, contribute to the country and follow our government directive. Sometimes, it is not perfect but it is much much better than infighting and Chinese people complaining against the CCP which is what the CIA wants to so. You are just an ordinary person. The very bottom line that you can fulfill is to never cause trouble for China and never be a useful idiot for America. And you can't even do that.
How can I have confidence in the government's propaganda ability when such people occupy important positions?
And ordinary citizen's job is to follow like a soldier follows the general's orders without question. You don't need to ask why or to understand. But that's why above you. You're going to the enemy to complain how you don't like your orders. That's your level.
If you speak Chinese then why are you replying this?Because I made it clear the advise is for those who don't speak Chinese
Because your advice is wrong and I showed why. You don't want me to respond to correct you? You want me to let it slip? LOL
Firstly,that's just your perception. Online discuss can happen in many different forms in China,such as reply webo post,zhihu post etc. Many chinese internet users are involved in one form or another.
Like I said, I'm the only Chinese person out of all of my friends who would comment publically about politics. The rest would not bother. A very few would talk publically about other things like cooking or computers, etc... There is nothing to substantiate your fantasy of being immersed in an authentic Chinese experience (especially if the experience relates to how the Chinese view our government) by lurking on Chinese forums.
Secondly,the number of Chinese domestic netizen who only post on Chinese forum,is an order of magnitude more than those Chinese who post on english forum. So even from a statistical perspective,Chinese domestic forum is far more representative than any english China forum
You don't have to repeat this; I already answered it. Last post:

"That's true, but they represent the most educated and most wide-seeing group. They are fit to advise leadership and direct the country, hence thier opinion is weighted more heavily."

You're just writing this again and again to pretend you're making new points.
I just said Chinese language internet discussion is differ from english version Chinese forum,I did not say how they are different from each other. Why are you so anxious about it and rush to bash all Chinese domestic netizen as "angry people"?
I'm adding more information to what you said and giving explanations. That's how conversations work. You scared to converse? Just want to "teach" your wrong approach to foreigners with no input from Chinese people? LOL
You scared of non-Chinese people actually go visit Chinese domestic forum ?
I said it's creepy and misguided to think that a foreigner could ever understand the "authentic" Chinese experience. I don't think I could have get an "authentic" French/British/Camaroonian experience no matter what I do and it's meant to be this way much to the chagrin of foreign creeps who call themselves "China experts."
“fit to advise leadership and direct the country”,wow,so much arrogance. Chinese national security adviser just happen to be all reside overseas,only incompetent idiot stays in China right?Also,in any country,the representative of the population are rank and file not elites.
No, they should have overseas experience and then return to China so they can see the entirety of the battlefield rather than just behind Chinese lines. These people are obviously equipped with more knowledge. Xi is one who fits this. They cannot, of course, reside overseas, which is something you just made up because you can't make any real points.
Then you should tell Chinese scholars who study different countries to abandon their work,because they will never understand those countries anyway
I don't have to tell them because Chinese people study foriegn literature in order to work for the government and open communications and maintain diplomatic relations with the official channels of that foreign nation. They don't obsessively creep and lurk on the forums of that nation trying to get "authentic" experiences to call themselves "experts" on that country.

I remember watching a Chinese show and there was a Chinese man who loved everything French, studied their language, history, obsessed over their culture and basically lived like a French guy in a Chinese body. They featured him in a Chinese show about freaks/deviants; his segment came on right after the man who eats only fingernails and toenails and the woman whose hobby is to glue dead bats to cover her walls. That's what we think about people who obsess about foriegn cultures. We don't interview him on national news as an exteemed "France expert" like the US does.
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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I remember watching a Chinese show and there was a Chinese man who loved everything French, studied their language, history, obsessed over their culture and basically lived like a French guy in a Chinese body. They featured him in a Chinese show about freaks/deviants. That's what we think about people who obsess about foriegn cultures. We don't interview him on national news as an exteemed "France expert" like the US does.
Even if they did treat him as an expert, he'd be a far better expert on France than anything that passes for a "China expert" in America.
 

tonyget

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TikTok is for the international market and was focusing on the West especially the US.

More importantly, Bytedance is Bytedance. It is the parent company of TikTok. TikTok is HQ in the US. Please have the basic understanding of HQ meaning. TikTok left the HK market in a heart beat in order not to get into trouble of the US sanction. For the last few years, TikTok has tried to distance itself as a Chinese company. China can shut down Bytedance but can't dictate how TikTok is run everyday. In addition, TikTok is working hard to store its data in the West and some other places.

Lol,you don't even know where TikTok's HQ located. Go back do some basic research before you can talk anything about TikTok.

Also,you don't know the relation between child and parent company. Almost all western corporations set up child companies in China,they are still subject to jurisdiction of their home country despite the HQ of these child companies located in China. Don't believe it?Lam ship their semiconductor equipment to China from their Child company in Malaysia,when the US issues export ban to China,Lam have to halt the shipment,despite the HQ of the factory is in Malaysia.

Why would Apple violate the US law? Apple isn't a social media. You are basically making no sense. Google left China so it doesn't need to conform to Chinese laws. TikTok never considered entering Chinese market in the first place so it never has taken any steps to abide Chinese laws. It is a simple fact but you keep dancing around it.

Apple originally intent to use YMTC chips on their phones for Chinese market,but they have to abandon the plan under US gov pressure. Chinese can absolutely enforce it's law on TikTok if they wish to.

Also,funnily enough,in this forum I see people view TikTok as a success of Chinese softpower. But apparently you don't see it that way,you see TikTok as a regular Western platform which is not different from Twitter. I wonder where are you when people praise TikTok on SDF?You seem to be silent when others mention TikTok,excited when I mention TikTok,interesting.

Tell that to the US.

The US is on the high way to hell,you wanna follow the US path?

Writing a incomprehensible post and acting like jerk, you expect any response. I am already being polite.

I'm laughing

Your original posts were talking about allowing Google, FB, and Twitter entered Chinese market. But then when you can't make a response to my post so started talking about special interest groups which are totally different thing.

Nope,my original posts were about special interest groups,I didn't mention Google, FB, and Twitter at all in my posts. Are you having an illusion?
 

KYli

Brigadier
Lol,you don't even know where TikTok's HQ located. Go back do some basic research before you can talk anything about TikTok.
Really, maybe you should do some research.
Also,you don't know the relation between child and parent company. Almost all western corporations set up child companies in China,they are still subject to jurisdiction of their home country despite the HQ of these child companies located in China. Don't believe it?Lam ship their semiconductor equipment to China from their Child company in Malaysia,when the US issues export ban to China,Lam have to halt the shipment,despite the HQ of the factory is in Malaysia.
We talk about social media and you give me an example of Semiconductor.
Apple originally intent to use YMTC chips on their phones for Chinese market,but they have to abandon the plan under US gov pressure. Chinese can absolutely enforce it's law on TikTok if they wish to.
Again, what is your point. We talk about social media. Answer me, did google leave China because it decided not to adhere to Chinese law. You keep giving example that has nothing to do with what we discuss.
Also,funnily enough,in this forum I see people view TikTok as a success of Chinese softpower. But apparently you don't see it that way,you see TikTok as a regular Western platform which is not different from Twitter. I wonder where are you when people praise TikTok on SDF?You seem to be silent when others mention TikTok,excited when I mention TikTok,interesting.
You don't even know my POV but project them and drag others to this discussion. Your attempt to generalize all forum members as the same it is as disrespectful as you can be.

As for the rest of your comment, I don't even need to answer because it is so childish but I would entertain you. I criticized Zhang Yiming and TikTok before and a few times. It is just you are not that active of a member to notice. My view of TikTok has always been that it is a successful company and that its success shows that Chinese can make some of the greatest apps. As for softpower, I don't see TikTok is somewhat kind of softpower for China.
The US is on the high way to hell,you wanna follow the US path?
So China is right to keep CIA google, FB and Twitter out of China. These apps would only pollute China.
nope,my original posts were about special interest groups,I didn't mention Google, FB, and Twitter at all in my posts. Are you having an illusion?
You want to tear down the firewall so Chinese can have accessed to CIA google, FB and Twitter. Go back and read what you wrote.
 

tonyget

Senior Member
Registered Member
We talk about social media and you give me an example of Semiconductor.

The law does not differentiate the types of company,it applies universally to all company.

Again, what is your point. We talk about social media. Answer me, did google leave China because it decided not to adhere to Chinese law. You keep giving example that has nothing to do with what we discuss.

Again, The law does not differentiate the types of company,it applies universally to all company.

You don't even know my POV but project them and drag others to this discussion. Your attempt to generalize all forum members as the same it is as disrespectful as you can be.

As for the rest of your comment, I don't even need to answer because it is so childish but I would entertain you. I criticized Zhang Yiming and TikTok before and a few times. It is just you are not that active of a member to notice. My view of TikTok has always been that it is a successful company and that its success shows that Chinese can make some of the greatest apps. As for softpower, I don't see TikTok is somewhat kind of softpower for China.

Really,I can find you all the posts regards TikTok as the success story Chinese softpower,are you going to reply those posts if I give you the link?

So China is right to keep CIA google, FB and Twitter out of China. These apps would only pollute China.

As I said before. "闭关锁国" has never yield any positive consequences through out history. You like close door policy,that's fine. There is all sort of "nostalgic" people in China,some wants culture revolution,some wants to go back late Qing dynasty etc.. What ever

You want to tear down the firewall so Chinese can have accessed to CIA google, FB and Twitter. Go back and read what you wrote.

I assume you can read.

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tonyget

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Registered Member
Because your advice is wrong and I showed why. You don't want me to respond to correct you? You want me to let it slip? LOL

I don't see how my advice is more wrong than yours

Like I said, I'm the only Chinese person out of all of my friends who would comment publically about politics. The rest would not bother. A very few would talk publically about other things like cooking or computers, etc... There is nothing to substantiate your fantasy of being immersed in an authentic Chinese experience (especially if the experience relates to how the Chinese view our government) by lurking on Chinese forums.

Interesting. When I talk about how Chinese domestic forum different from english version China forum,I wasn't even referring to gov related topic. But for some reason you keep mentioning about it,it seems to me that you feel so insecure if foreigners find out what Chinese people think about the gov on domestic forum. It makes me wonder that you work at 中宣部

You don't have to repeat this; I already answered it. Last post:

"That's true, but they represent the most educated and most wide-seeing group. They are fit to advise leadership and direct the country, hence thier opinion is weighted more heavily."

You're just writing this again and again to pretend you're making new points.

And I already answered it is well:

"the number of Chinese domestic netizen who only post on Chinese forum,is an order of magnitude more than those Chinese who post on english forum. So even from a statistical perspective,Chinese domestic forum is far more representative than any english China forum "

I'm adding more information to what you said and giving explanations. That's how conversations work. You scared to converse? Just want to "teach" your wrong approach to foreigners with no input from Chinese people? LOL

I did not say anything negative about people who post on english China forum right?It is you quickly discredit all Chinese netizen that are active on Chinese domestic forum.

I said it's creepy and misguided to think that a foreigner could ever understand the "authentic" Chinese experience. I don't think I could have get an "authentic" French/British/Camaroonian experience no matter what I do and it's meant to be this way much to the chagrin of foreign creeps who call themselves "China experts."

You still living in 20th century?Because in 21th century,people express their opinion online is a social norm,more so than offline. I don't see how go to local forum is more creepy than actually go to the country

No, they should have overseas experience and then return to China so they can see the entirety of the battlefield rather than just behind Chinese lines. These people are obviously equipped with more knowledge. Xi is one who fits this. They cannot, of course, reside overseas, which is something you just made up because you can't make any real points.

Finally,you revealed your true color,a Xi JinPing disciple. Now I'm starting to understand why you concerned about foreigners actually follow my advise.

I don't have to tell them because Chinese people study foriegn literature in order to work for the government and open communications and maintain diplomatic relations with the official channels of that foreign nation. They don't obsessively creep and lurk on the forums of that nation trying to get "authentic" experiences to call themselves "experts" on that country.

I remember watching a Chinese show and there was a Chinese man who loved everything French, studied their language, history, obsessed over their culture and basically lived like a French guy in a Chinese body. They featured him in a Chinese show about freaks/deviants; his segment came on right after the man who eats only fingernails and toenails and the woman whose hobby is to glue dead bats to cover her walls. That's what we think about people who obsess about foriegn cultures. We don't interview him on national news as an exteemed "France expert" like the US does.

Sure thing,I don't think Xi wants foreigners to see anything other than CGTN or Global times
 

KYli

Brigadier
The law does not differentiate the types of company,it applies universally to all company.
Does Google adhere to the Chinese laws? Does TikTok adhere to Chinese laws? No, they don't. If they wanted to enter the Chinese markets, then they need first to adhere to the Chinese laws first.
Really,I can find you all the posts regards TikTok as the success story Chinese softpower,are you going to reply those posts if I give you the link?
I stated my opinion on the matter. If you have problem with those posts, you debate with them. It isn't my problem.
As I said before. "闭关锁国" has never yield any positive consequences through out history. You like close door policy,that's fine. There is all sort of "nostalgic" people in China,some wants culture revolution,some wants to go back late Qing dynasty etc.. What ever
You want CIA google, Twitter, and FB into China. And that's your response. US closes its door but you want to open China's door to those CIA social media. Right, I perfectly know who's interest you have in mind.
I read many of your posts. And clearly you want to open Chinese internet to CIA google, Twitter, and FB. Not sure why you keep insisting otherwise. Your argument that in order to fight special interest groups, China needs to open internet to CIA google, Twitter, and FB is just pathetic.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I don't see how my advice is more wrong than yours
You don't see how being Chinese and having Chinese friends is an authentic Chinese experience while trolling Chinese forums on Google translate isn't? You don't see how dining at a restaurant gives you a better understanding of the restaurant than sneaking into the oil dump and drinking a bit of that? Well, everyone else does, but you... not there yet.
Interesting. When I talk about how Chinese domestic forum different from english version China forum,I wasn't even referring to gov related topic. But for some reason you keep mentioning about it,it seems to me that you feel so insecure if foreigners find out what Chinese people think about the gov on domestic forum.
Because that's the most important thing and that's what people want to talk about here. That's what everyone else assumes too. What did you mean, Chinese forums about cooking, home ec, exercise?
It makes me wonder that you work at 中宣部
Makes me wonder if you're typing this from your mental ward.
And I already answered it is well:

"the number of Chinese domestic netizen who only post on Chinese forum,is an order of magnitude more than those Chinese who post on english forum. So even from a statistical perspective,Chinese domestic forum is far more representative than any english China forum "
Yeah but your answer was what I already countered. Can't you read?

You: There are more Chinese people who can't read English than who can.
Me: But those who can are usually more educated and more capable of leading China so they are more heavily weighted. China is not a democracy.
You: But more people tho.

Just so you know, in a debate, repeating a point that was countered doesn't count as a new counter.
I did not say anything negative about people who post on english China forum right?It is you quickly discredit all Chinese netizen that are active on Chinese domestic forum.
No, I said your methods have a sampling bias if it discusses politics, which is what everyone else is here to do but if you want to play stupid and back out by pretending you were talking about unrelated things, go ahead. I gave you too much credit thinking you were wrong but on topic. Seems you actually can't find the topic at all.
You still living in 20th century?Because in 21th century,people express their opinion online is a social norm,more so than offline.
You living in a basement? Because the real world is outside, not on your screen. As much as I post here, I talk 10x more to people than I write, even more if you tried to include all topics rather than just politics. Don't assume everyone has nothing better to do than stare at a screen just because that's your take on life.
I don't see how go to local forum is more creepy than actually go to the country
That's true. Many creepy foriegners should stay away from China unless they have good business to do there. Come in a suit representing a company with a contract = not creepy. "I'm so interested in Asian culture; maybe Chinese people will like me more than my countrymen. I want an authentic Chinese experience! Look, I can recognize 192 Chinese words now and can insert them randomly into English sentences sometimes like 中宣部 to show how much I know about China!" = max level creep.

BTW, funny story. A while back, I had a different creeper, (or at least I think it was a different creeper; I don't tell yall apart very well) write Xi Jinping in Chinese characters out of the entire wall of English and I almost dropped my food laughing like he thought I would go, "Oh shit! He knows Chinese; he knows everything!!!" LOLOL
Finally,you revealed your true color,a Xi JinPing disciple.
I thought that was obvious to every single person on this forum my support for Xi. That's ok, you're slow but eventually, you pick things up too!
Now I'm starting to understand why you concerned about foreigners actually follow my advise.
Trying to lessen the creep load on my awesome country, less people calling themselves "China experts" making Chinese people throw up.
Sure thing,I don't think Xi wants foreigners to see anything other than CGTN or Global times
Oops, you thought too highly of yourself again. Xi wasn't thinking about you. Honestly, we don't make anything for foreigners. It's for Chinese people in China and the English version is for Chinese people overseas, sometimes with limited Chinese command.
 
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tonyget

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Does Google adhere to the Chinese laws? Does TikTok adhere to Chinese laws? No, they don't. If they wanted to enter the Chinese markets, then they need first to adhere to the Chinese laws first.

Irrelevant to my post. I said “ The law does not differentiate the types of company,it applies universally to all company”,if you disagree with this statement,then please indicate the part of law says it only applies to certain companies

I stated my opinion on the matter. If you have problem with those posts, you debate with them. It isn't my problem.

I have no problem with those posts

You want CIA google, Twitter, and FB into China. And that's your response. US closes its door but you want to open China's door to those CIA social media. Right, I perfectly know who's interest you have in mind.

I got to admit that I have no your interest in mind

I read many of your posts. And clearly you want to open Chinese internet to CIA google, Twitter, and FB. Not sure why you keep insisting otherwise. Your argument that in order to fight special interest groups, China needs to open internet to CIA google, Twitter, and FB is just pathetic.

Your argument that Chinese people shouldn't fight against special interest groups is even more pathetic
 
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