chinese small arms thread

[MIGleader]

the type 95 offers improved firepower and less weight over the 81. its basically a more modern design.

i think the type 87a and 03 are the best for the pla. the 03 just came out, and may be undergoing eveluations. the 87a offers the same firepower and weight as the 95, but is more reliable and user friendly. the troops who used the 81 will probably find it easier to switch to a 87a than a 95.

 

[Kampfwagen]

Ah, Ala AK-47 to AK-74. But then again, I thought it was said that the Type 87 was just a prototype anyway to prove the 5.8 round can be utilized in a firearm and to prove it's efectiveness. I would really hate to be holding a Type 95 in a long-range engagement from the information this site suplies. IMHO, if I were an educated Chinese Solider, I would be wanting ether a type 81/87.

Btw...Where are types 82 through 86?

 

[Red Guard]

Ah, Ala AK-47 to AK-74. But then again, I thought it was said that the Type 87 was just a prototype anyway to prove the 5.8 round can be utilized in a firearm and to prove it's efectiveness. I would really hate to be holding a Type 95 in a long-range engagement from the information this site suplies. IMHO, if I were an educated Chinese Solider, I would be wanting ether a type 81/87.

Btw...Where are types 82 through 86?

oh, the old argue about 95 and 03. according to me 03 is stupid, it's like thes stupidest rifle PLA never designed. you guys are using the westen mind again. in china, soldiers fit into the weaponaries, not the weaponaries fit into the soldiers. infantry soldiers change with in a few years. and soldiers who started with 95 never had any problem with it. and people who used 81 claimed 95 is lighter and has a way better accuracy and small recoil force.

i don't think 03 is going to be in service, it's just another smart aXX idea from some people.
anyway. if people don't know, there are type 86, it's a bullpop version of Ak-47/type 56, designed to export. no one ever bought it. i think there are info about that on the site. and there WAS a type 82.it was the competitee with type 81. i think because 81 got a good name, "81", so it won the race. people say it's because 82 looks like 56 too much, but i think 81 82 look like each other....
here are some photos of 82.
i have another 2 over 100 KB, too bad you guys don't have the luck to see them.....

 

[sumdud]

Chinese rifles are classified by their year, so type 81 is from 1981. There's nothing between type 82 and 86 because there was no new rifle in those years.
Type 82? Never heard of it.
Choosing a rifle based on look? What the hel?

and soldiers who started with 95 never had any problem with it. and people who used 81 claimed 95 is lighter and has a way better accuracy and small recoil force.

??? Really no problem? But what about the hisses and heat they get after shooting? And the handles?
The accuracy and recoil is probably from the bullet. I doubt the type 95 would be liked for this if it used the good old immediate.
Type 95 is definitely lighter with its polymer construction.
But what about the type 87A and 03? wouldn't the type 87A or 03 be choosed?
Now why is type 03 being built at all?

Now I wonder about the new bullet, will it fragment and break on armor like the .223?, or go through with more velocity but less weight(punch).

 

[Kampfwagen]

Now dont think this is looks over quality. I am just as willing to accept a new rifle system as the next man, but all I am saying is that, from my POV I would rather pick up an 81 to a 95. But then again, this is my humble and personal opinion. The Soviet 7.62MM round is proven, the design of the 81 is proven, the accuracy, everything on that rifle is a proven fact. I would rather have the 'less accurate' system to some new peice of techno-age polymer if it does a better job.

And as far as looks? The Type 81 looks like an old post-WW2 AR while the Type 95 looks nice and sleek, so personaly, it has nothing to do with looks.

And of course, the 82 through 86 was sarcasam...Though I had heard of the 86 before.

For those intrested in how this little failure looks.

 

[The_Zergling]

Actually I don't think you have weird taste, the average soldier (Not the kid who plays CS and thinks the M4 is the best rifle ever) would probably prefer the AK series over the M-16 series any day.

The M-16 sucks. I used to argue with my friends about M16s vs AKs, myself being a full-fledged M16 apologist... but they were right...

both rifles use an intermediate cartridge, neither are full sized rifle rounds. You can't debate a rifle based only on calibre... The design is critically flawed. "Oh, but the AR is so ergonomic!" Yeah, it looks cool, but what's the point if the gun doesn't even go click.

The design (AR-15, which is pretty much M-16) sucks by design. If you lay out its blueprints you'll find it's fundamentally flawed, it uses tolerances that are way too tight for a combat weapon. It's ammo sensitive to the point of being finicky, it uses soft alloy receivers and is fed from flimsy magazines that are too weak to operate properly when loaded to full capacity. (Hence you'll never see a true 30-round M16 mag)

The worst part is the gas system. The rifle farts where it eats thanks to its direct gas impingement system. Compounding to that bad idea, we have the use of a tiny gas tube and a horrible breah design that is impossible to clean properly without the skills and tools of a dentist.

Defenders of the M16 series like to say, "It functions well if cleaned properly" A soldier's rifle should work well all the time even if you don't have the time to clean it. Like when people are shooting at you. If it gets too muddy you should be able to open the action, piss in it to get rid of mud chunks and be back in the fight...

Don't think that you're weird about liking the AK over the M16...

Sorry if this was a bit of a rant and a bit off topic, I have to get to bed and I'm not thinking clearly...

 

[sumdud]

Sorry, when I was talking about looks, I meant when he was talking about choosing between type 81 and 82.

"It functions well if cleaned properly" A soldier's rifle should work well all the time even if you don't have the time to clean it. Like when people are shooting at you. If it gets too muddy you should be able to open the action, piss in it to get rid of mud chunks and be back in the fight...

Totally agree on that part. But don't they say that people pee on the AKs to cool the thing when it's overheated?

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Sorry, when I was talking about looks, I meant when he was talking about choosing between type 81 and 82.

Totally agree on that part. But don't they say that people pee on the AKs to cool the thing when it's overheated?

How would that work? Isn't urine warm? And you would need ALOT of urine to cool an AK. Plus, it would make the gun sticky and smell horrid.

 

[Kampfwagen]

Actualy, during World Wars one and two and in Korea, it was common for soliders on both sides (Germany moreso in WW1) to urinate on their weapons to cool them down. It isint that far-fectched a concept. And no-one cares when their guns are sticky and smelly. In fact, bodily waste is sometimes welcomed.

 

[darth sidious]

the type 87 was to prove to the pla that small caliber woks beacuse some of the older leaders had a bad experince with the jap arisaka rifle witch fired the 6.5mm round they dont kill