Chinese semiconductor thread II

latenlazy

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Is basically to run simulations of supply chains, maybe machine learning driven?
In a sense yeah. Basically trying to model how much support and production of key inputs (number of patents, research output, number of enterprises, amount and distribution of financing) is needed before you have self sustaining development. What you need to get to a place where the market will continue the flywheel for you.
 

SDtom

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IMO, performance is one issue, and definitely not a minor one. I believe Hygon and Zhaoxin can't even get direct access to x86 technical documents, and have to rely on sublicensing old architectures like AMD Ryzen gen 1 and Centaur/VIA. I think more importantly we also have to look at software support.
x86 is entrenched for decades without even getting into Chinese companies
To push out Intel/AMD means an actual phase out of Windows systems which is not happening soon (but is happening slowly as we move away from desktop architectures). You really have to look beyond the classic Intel/AMD desktop environment and into the next gen ecosystem. That's why we see Huawei pushing Harmony and Xiaomi active on the front as well with HyperOS.
I am not an expert by any means, but talking about Broadcom and STMicro who are making a lot of microcontrollers. I see a lot of IOT devices using ESP32 now by Espressif (based in Shanghai).

It seems like Hygon and Zhaoxin are like those un-innovative deadbeat ICE car ventures between Chinese and foreign companies.

China needs a BYD for the chinese CPU sector.
 

sunnymaxi

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It seems like Hygon and Zhaoxin are like those un-innovative deadbeat ICE car ventures between Chinese and foreign companies.

China needs a BYD for the chinese CPU sector.
please read before comment.

its Loongson and Phytium, they are actually the leading players in mainland, China for CPUs. Hygon doing well too but Zhaoxin stuck in low end.
you guys always forget Loongson. they are the direct competitor of intel. and already on leading edge when it comes to CPU chip design.

they have their own architecture ''LoongArch''

world-leading” performance of next-gen 7nm CPU — 3B6600 rocks eight LA864 cores clocked at 3 GHz​

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Phythium is Chinese equivalent of AMD. this firm was blacklisted by USA back in 2021.. its been so long

Phytium Showcases Next-Gen CPU Architecture Performance For China's Server Markets, Strongly Competes Against AMD Zen 3 Architecture​


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i don't know why fuss about Chip design capabilities of Chinese firms.. China is been world class player in fabless industry at least since 2017-2018..
 
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very interesting


The server DDR5 provided by CXMT operates at a speed of 5600 Mbps, which is equivalent to that of mainstream global products. Industry experts forecast that if large-scale production is successfully ramped up, CXMT will secure approximately 10% of the Chinese server market in 2025—

CXMT DDR5 is a really big deal for China's AI data center build out. If they can keep this up, Chinese data center memory chips will get very people.
 

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The latest progress of GAA devices of the Institute of Microelectronics has reduced parasitic resistance and on-state current to about 1 mA/μm (Huawei and Professor Chen Yijian have similar international patents to reduce parasitic capacitance).

The paper based on this research result, " High-Performance Gate-All-Around FETs with 100 Ω Parasitic Resistance and 965 μA/μm On-State Current using Quasi-Self-Aligned Landing Pads " (DOI: 10.1109/LED.2024.3505926), was recently published in the IEEE Electron Device Letters journal. Graduate student Jiang Renjie from the Institute of Microelectronics is the first author, and researchers Zhang Qingzhu and Yin Huaxiang are co-corresponding authors of the paper. This research was supported by the Strategic Priority Research Program (Class A) of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the National Natural Science Foundation of China.

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latenlazy

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The latest progress of GAA devices of the Institute of Microelectronics has reduced parasitic resistance and on-state current to about 1 mA/μm (Huawei and Professor Chen Yijian have similar international patents to reduce parasitic capacitance).

The paper based on this research result, " High-Performance Gate-All-Around FETs with 100 Ω Parasitic Resistance and 965 μA/μm On-State Current using Quasi-Self-Aligned Landing Pads " (DOI: 10.1109/LED.2024.3505926), was recently published in the IEEE Electron Device Letters journal. Graduate student Jiang Renjie from the Institute of Microelectronics is the first author, and researchers Zhang Qingzhu and Yin Huaxiang are co-corresponding authors of the paper. This research was supported by the Strategic Priority Research Program (Class A) of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the National Natural Science Foundation of China.

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Desperately hoping the Huawei 5 nm is GAA just so we can get some real performance measurements.
 

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Semiconductor equipment R&D and production headquarters project settled in Qingdao West Coast New Area​

On February 5, the semiconductor equipment R&D and production headquarters project with a total investment of 1 billion yuan by Haichuang Intelligent Equipment (Yantai) Co., Ltd. settled in Qingdao West Coast New Area. This project is the second semiconductor high-end equipment project to land in the new area this year. The project will select a site in the new area to build a semiconductor equipment R&D and production headquarters, develop and manufacture wafer-level permanent bonding, temporary bonding, debonding equipment and other products, and plans to combine domestic industry needs and its own technological advantages to develop into a well-known domestic semiconductor equipment company.

It is reported that Haichuang Intelligent Equipment (Yantai) Co., Ltd. was established in 2017 with a registered capital of 100 million yuan. The company has established strategic cooperation with world-renowned MEMS chip manufacturing companies, integrating the international core team of semiconductor equipment technology from the United States, Japan, and South Korea, and is committed to realizing the localization of high-end semiconductor equipment and core components. It has laid out a diversified product line and is committed to building a professional, large-scale, and technologically advanced semiconductor equipment technology service platform to promote the development of the domestic semiconductor industry. Products include permanent bonding equipment Bonder for 6-12 inch wafers, temporary bonding/debonding equipment Debonder, magnetron sputtering coating equipment PVD (Sputter), plasma enhanced chemical vapor deposition equipment PEVCD, etching equipment Etcher, coating and developing equipment Coater & Developer, semiconductor detection X-RAY, etc.

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Breakthrough! High-performance polycrystalline diamond heat sink​


The team from Harbin Institute of Technology used MPCVD technology to excite gases (hydrogen, methane, and nitrogen) through microwaves in a vacuum environment, allowing carbon atoms to "grow" into diamonds on a silicon substrate.
Key breakthroughs:
Methane concentration:
Reduce the methane ratio (from 8% to 5%), reduce impurity carbon deposition, and improve crystal quality.
Growth temperature: Increase the temperature (930~950℃) to promote lateral expansion of grains and make the structure denser.
Experimental results: high thermal conductivity + low warpage The team prepared five groups of samples (S1-S5) and found that:
Optimal performance: Sample S3 (5% methane, temperature 930°C) has a thermal conductivity of up to 1208 W/(m·K) and a warpage value of only 37 microns, far exceeding similar international products (such as Element Six's 1000-2200 W/(m·K)).

Balance between speed and quality: Although reducing methane will slow down the growth rate (5.8 μm/h), the thermal conductivity is significantly improved, and the warpage is smaller, making post-processing easier.
X-ray diffraction and Raman spectroscopy revealed that:
<111> Crystal plane dominance: crystal arrangement is more regular and grain boundary defects are reduced.
Low methane + high temperature: inhibits the formation of amorphous carbon, larger grain size, and smoother heat conduction path.
Compared with leading foreign companies Element Six and Sumitomo Electric Industries, this study achieved the preparation of polycrystalline diamond heat sinks with a thermal conductivity of more than 1200 W/(m·K) by optimizing process parameters, while ensuring a high growth rate (5.8 microns/hour) and a low warpage value (37 microns). Through subsequent process improvements, it is expected that the preparation of high thermal conductivity diamond heat sinks at a higher rate can be achieved, thereby effectively reducing its production cost.
Future application prospects
Polycrystalline diamond heat sinks have broad application prospects in the following fields:​
  • High-performance computing: used for heat dissipation of high-power chips such as CPU and GPU.​
  • 5G/6G communications: used for heat dissipation of RF devices and power amplifiers.​
  • New energy vehicle electronics: used for heat dissipation of microwave inverters and power modules.​
  • Aerospace: Used for heat dissipation of high reliability electronic equipment.​
By continuously optimizing the preparation process, polycrystalline diamond heat sinks are expected to become an important component of future efficient heat dissipation solutions, providing strong support for improving the performance of electronic devices.

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Breakthrough! High-performance polycrystalline diamond heat sink​


The team from Harbin Institute of Technology used MPCVD technology to excite gases (hydrogen, methane, and nitrogen) through microwaves in a vacuum environment, allowing carbon atoms to "grow" into diamonds on a silicon substrate.
High-performance computing: used for heat dissipation of high-power chips such as CPU and GPU.​
  • 5G/6G communications: used for heat dissipation of RF devices and power amplifiers.
  • New energy vehicle electronics: used for heat dissipation of microwave inverters and power modules.​
  • Aerospace: Used for heat dissipation of high reliability electronic equipment.​
By continuously optimizing the preparation process, polycrystalline diamond heat sinks are expected to become an important component of future efficient heat dissipation solutions, providing strong support for improving the performance of electronic devices.

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So if this breakthrough gets industrialize, megawatt radars and electronic warfare system on planes become possible?
 
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