Chinese semiconductor thread II

ansy1968

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From 2026 onward China will be the ONLY COUNTRY that can domestically produced all the critical chipmaking supply chains ranging from advance EUV lithographic machine to photoresist, Take that America....lol and I also concurrently agree from a previous post about the Chip War ending in 2028 with a overwhelming Chinese victory. (including the TSMC of course) ;)

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5 hours ago — In 2024, China made notable strides in photoresist development, supported by government initiatives and rising demand from local chipmakers, ...
 

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Super-light Linux with support for secret Chinese processors that are prohibited to be sold even in Russia has been created

The Alpine Linux distribution has been updated to version 3.21, which now has full support for LoongArch, a national Chinese processor architecture. It is used in Loongson chips, which are considered strategically important and are prohibited from export to Russia and other countries. Another feature of Alpine Linux is its “weight”, about 240 MB versus 2.7 GB for Linux Mint.


Linux for Chinese processors, available to everyone

The Alpine Linux OS has learned to work with Chinese Loongson processors based on the unique LoongArch architecture , The Register writes. Their support appeared in the distribution in December 2024, along with the release of version 3.21.

The Loongson processor line has been actively developing since 2021 and consists of chips for regular PCs, high-performance desktop stations and servers . Their architecture was developed in China from scratch, has no borrowings from other architectures and has been improved since the beginning of the 21st century, but its support in Alpine Linux , which itself has existed since 2005, has only appeared now.

Modern Loongson processors are quite capable of matching the performance of three- to four-year-old Intel and AMD chips. At the end of 2022, the Chinese authorities recognized them as strategically important and banned their export outside the country, including to Russia, but, as practice has shown, Loongson chips were and continue to be exported abroad .

New is better than old

Alpine Linux is developed by a community of developers. The distribution is available for free download and free use and stands out for its extremely small "weight" - about 240 MB for the ISO image, which is more than times smaller than the Linux Min 22 image (2.7 GB).

Alpine Linux 3.21 has moved to the 6.21 kernel with extended support ( LTS , Long Term Support), and support for the OS itself will be valid until November 2026, that is, for less than two years.

Alpine Linux 3.21 contains many new features compared to version 3.20, dated May 2024, including updated development tools, including .NET 9, as well as new graphical environments - KDE Plasma 6.2, LXQt 2.1 and GNOME 47.

Also, the authors of Alpine Linux decided to boycott frankly old or little-needed processor architectures. As a result, in November 2021, with the release of build 3.15, support for MIPS64 was "cut" . In May 2024, the update to 2024, on the contrary, brought support for RISC-V - a free and open architecture, the popularity of which is growing at a frantic pace around the world in general and in Russia in particular .

For lovers of the unconventional

Apline is one of those distributions that has its own way, and considering that the project is almost 20 years old, the way was most likely chosen relatively correctly.

For example, while almost all other Linux distributions use the standard system library glibc, Alpine uses the much less popular musl libc. This is quite rare - there are not many distributions with it, and they are little known - for example, Void Linux.

Glibc is a free implementation of the standard library of the C programming language . It was created with the support of the Free Software Foundation and contains key functions used by software written in C and C++. Glibc is used in one way or another by most programs designed to run on Linux family OS , including various compilers and interpreters for other languages. Glibc can be called the second most important component of any Linux family OS after the kernel.

Due to the lack of glibc, many familiar programs will not run under Apline Linux. These are browsers Chrome , Edge, Opera , messengers Skype , Slack , etc. Flatpak is available, but there is no Snap (because it depends on systemd ), as well as Appimage. Using musl also means that applications on the Electron framework will also work.

The lack of numerous utilities in Alpine Linux explains the minimal size of its ISO image . Even after installation, the system takes up almost nothing, consuming by default, according to The Register , about 64 MB of RAM and 163 MB of space on the system disk.

Another feature of Alpine Linux is that it uses its own APK package manager . The vast majority of Linux distributions use either RPM or DEB packages.

And yet Alpine Linux is quite popular, if not among ordinary users, then among those who prefer to create their own OS. For example, the Linux distribution postmarketOS for very old PCs is based on it, and Pavel Zhovner himself , the author of the legendary "Tamagotchi for hackers" - the Flipper Zero gadget, used it as a base for his OS .

Zhovner developed a OneFileLinux distribution based on Alpine Linux, consisting of literally one file. It can be stored in the system EFI partition, from where it will be loaded. OneFileLinux "weighs" only 26 MB - photos taken on modern iPhones take up more space.
 

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"China’s AMEC Dropped From Pentagon Blacklist After Suing US
AMEC was designated a Chinese military company in January
Company sued Department of Defense to remove the designation"

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"China’s AMEC surges on being dropped from US blacklist after legal threat"

"The Pentagon said the firm and IDG Capital had been removed from the blacklist in an amendment released on Wednesday. The blacklist covers “Chinese military companies,” mainly entities the U.S. has accused of supplying the People’s Liberation Army. "
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secret Chinese processors

It's not a secret processor. It's a commercial product. Anyone can just buy it on AliExpress. The full ISA documentation is on Github. The export ban to Russia was also lifted after a few months. If they want to call it a secret processor for being export banned to a specific country, then Intel processors are also secret processors.
 
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From 2026 onward China will be the ONLY COUNTRY that can domestically produced all the critical chipmaking supply chains ranging from advance EUV lithographic machine to photoresist, Take that America....lol and I also concurrently agree from a previous post about the Chip War ending in 2028 with a overwhelming Chinese victory. (including the TSMC of course) ;)

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5 hours ago — In 2024, China made notable strides in photoresist development, supported by government initiatives and rising demand from local chipmakers, ...
By comparison it's almost sad how Americans are celeberating the token TSMC fab in Arizona, not understanding it can't operate without TSMC.
Google translated:
"China's Willow debuts! Pan Jianwei's team releases the latest results of the 105-qubit "Zu Chongzhi No. 3" "
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"Just one week after the release of Google's most powerful quantum chip Willow, the relevant results of China's superconducting quantum computer "Zu Chongzhi No. 3" with 105 quantum bits were released.
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On December 17, a research team composed of the University of Science and Technology of China, Hefei National Laboratory for Microscale Physical Sciences, Shanghai Scientific Research Center of the Institute of Quantum Information and Quantum Technology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Hefei National Laboratory, Guodun Quantum Company, Henan Key Laboratory of Quantum Information and Quantum Cryptography, China Institute of Metrology, Jinan Institute of Quantum Technology, Xidian University, and Institute of Theoretical Physics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences published a research paper titled "Establishing a New Benchmark in Quantum Computational Advantage with 105-qubit Zuchongzhi 3.0 Processor" on the arXiv platform . Dongxin Gao, Daojin Fan, and Chen Zha are the co-first authors of the paper, and Professor Zhu Xiaobo and Academician Pan Jianwei are the corresponding authors of the paper."

"Two major annual achievements were released successively, and the performance indicators of the "Zu Chongzhi No. 3" processor are also comparable to Willow. The superior performance of the "Zu Chongzhi No. 3" shows that China has reached the most advanced level in the world in superconducting quantum computing, and is fully capable of competing with the world's top scientific research forces . It has laid a solid foundation for China's future development in the field of quantum information science, and has contributed unique Chinese wisdom and solutions to global technological progress! [.....]"

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Not saying China should adopt America's "ignorance is strength" mantra, but comparing it to Willow just because Google released a video barely a week earlier and spent millions on marketing is pretty insulting to Pan's superior work.
 

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It's not a secret processor. It's a commercial product. Anyone can just buy it on AliExpress. The full ISA documentation is on Github. The export ban to Russia was also lifted after a few months. If they want to call it a secret processor for being export banned to a specific country, then Intel processors are also secret processors.
Seems msm like to use "secret" as adjective when talking abt China tech or miltry..
 

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The first ultra-low temperature ion implanter for the strategic new customer of Keshitong under Wanye Enterprise was successfully delivered

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The first domestic stacked PECVD equipment independently developed by Red Sun Optoelectronics Company, a subsidiary of China Electronics Equipment Group, was successfully shipped recently.

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Another company, KingBank also launched a memory stick using the same chips. They also didn't mention the name of chip maker but unlike Gloway their listing had more stuff that indicates it's a completely domestic fab. The other indication is the price. In the same listing Gloway has multiple Samsung and Hynix based sticks of same specs as this domestic product but are more expensive than this.

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Machine translation:
D5 National Chip Shines, "Smart Manufacturing" Drives the Future

[Technological Innovation, Independent Control]
In the arena of memory chips, the emergence of domestic DDR5 memory is not only a technological breakthrough, but also a manifestation of domestic independent controllable capabilities. Although the frequency of 6000MHz and the timing of CL36 may not be the most dazzling star in the high-end market, its appearance represents a major breakthrough in domestic memory chip technology. This is a solid step for domestic memory chips to go from catching up to running side by side, and even leading. This is not only a technological advancement, but also a victory for domestic independent controllable capabilities. We believe that with the continuous advancement and optimization of technology, domestic DDR5 memory will show more outstanding performance and broader application prospects in the future.

KingBank supposedly confirmed in an email it's CXMT.

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