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sndef888

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The two chose different paths and look what became of them 60 years later. One is a developed country with high standards of living while the other one is a hermit nation with African level development. I know who chose the right path for her people
Falling behind economically is temporary. Destroying your own culture to follow western pop culture, western religion, western politics is much harder to reverse. I see no hope for the mentally colonised south koreans.

Even Japan is not as thoroughly infiltrated.
 

Tyler

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The best way to contain is to offer better products. Otherwise, it'd be shortsighted. The idea is to create an ecosystem where domestic companies create better products and domestic consumers choosing the domestic brands. The people who buy NIO doesn't buy them merely because its chinese, but because its technologically competitive. Same can be said for DJI. Nothing stops Chinse car manufacturers in creating top line products and solutions.

Asking people buy non competitive products for the sake of nationalism is not sustainable. Sure, the companies can tailor the products for Chinese tastes but technological supremacy is largely superior.
Korean and Japanese EV products should be expelled, for siding with the big bully and refusing to sell semiconductor equipment to China. Just by keeping major European car brands is enough for competition. These Koreans/Japanese don't buy too many foreign cars anyway. Keeping GM and tesla are okay if they use China as export base and consume local Chinese semiconductors. As for Japan, it needs to be weakened as much as possible, not only for historical reasons, but also it is part of the quad countries that is trying to contain China and now they are saying Taiwan is an independent country. Japan and Australia are nasty quad countries that are boycotting Huawei products and posing big national security risks.
 

Xizor

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Korean and Japanese EV products should be expelled, for siding with the big bully and refusing to sell semiconductor equipment to China. Just by keeping major European car brands is enough for competition. These Koreans/Japanese don't buy too many foreign cars anyway. Keeping GM and tesla are okay if they use China as export base and consume local Chinese semiconductors. As for Japan, it needs to be weakened as much as possible, not only for historical reasons, but also it is part of the quad countries that is trying to contain China and now they are saying Taiwan is an independent country. Japan and Australia are nasty quad countries that are boycotting Huawei products and posing big national security risks.
Meh. Outcompete the Toyota and Hyundai. Make more reliable and price competitive cars. Participate and win in Le Mans using self designed engines and transmission and prove the resilience.

Launch NASCAR, F1 type race culture in China. Take the rules seriously. Create semiconductors for cars ( Thankfully, BYD is doing it). Japan and SK didn't reach here because they had local market.
 

Tyler

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Meh. Outcompete the Toyota and Hyundai. Make more reliable and price competitive cars. Participate and win in Le Mans using self designed engines and transmission and prove the resilience.

Launch NASCAR, F1 type race culture in China. Take the rules seriously. Create semiconductors for cars ( Thankfully, BYD is doing it). Japan and SK didn't reach here because they had local market.
What toyota has been doing is irrelevant. It is a good company, but too bad their own country is posing a national security risk to others.
 

Topazchen

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Korean and Japanese EV products should be expelled, for siding with the big bully and refusing to sell semiconductor equipment to China. Just by keeping major European car brands is enough for competition. These Koreans/Japanese don't buy too many foreign cars anyway. Keeping GM and tesla are okay if they use China as export base and consume local Chinese semiconductors. As for Japan, it needs to be weakened as much as possible, not only for historical reasons, but also it is part of the quad countries that is trying to contain China and now they are saying Taiwan is an independent country. Japan and Australia are nasty quad countries that are boycotting Huawei products and posing big national security risks.
That time will come but for now, China needs to avoid unnecessary escalation until such a time she's tech independent and has the biggest GDP in the world. Patience my friend patience.
 

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Regardless of whether it is Huawei or not, there should be at least one Chinese entity, preferably a few, with the capability of producing advanced chips entirely using Chinese made chip manufacturing equipment and components, in sufficient quantities to meet the entire demand in China for such chips if necessary. China must not bow to the alter of the interests of global supply chains when it can indeed do something about and is faced the the implicit threat of a thorough embargo. The rationale of national security and maximizing domestic technology inculcation should exceed that of what is least economically costly.
 

Annihilation98

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Agree having access to semi conductor designer and fabbers means having a access path into becoming a high income nation. Without it China will be stuck in the so called middle income trap or as I like to call it stuck in the intelligence black hole not able to innovate further then middle income products and supply lines.
I agree with this statement. China will be stuck in the dark ages if they are no progress on EUV or any other semiconductor equipment. Where is the news on 28nm DUV by SMEE???? Still, can't even pass this simple equipment problem. What are chinese engineers are doing?? China has more than 1 billion population compared to Netherland with 17 million population.
 

manqiangrexue

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I agree with this statement. China will be stuck in the dark ages if they are no progress on EUV or any other semiconductor equipment. Where is the news on 28nm DUV by SMEE???? Still, can't even pass this simple equipment problem. What are chinese engineers are doing?? China has more than 1 billion population compared to Netherland with 17 million population.
The main cause of there being seemingly no progress and news on this is your failure to read through the thread. Pretty much every week there are updates but you can't show the blind.
 
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KampfAlwin

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The main cause of there being seemingly no progress and news on this is your failure to read through the thread. Pretty much every week there is an update but you can't show the blind.
I feel like someone knowledgeable on this could make a summary of the progress every end of year?
 
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